Do you think 2pac made the West lose its magic?

[mysticwarrior]

Eh yo, i love pac, he's tight and all.. But lets talk about this.. do u think 2pac killed it for the West Coast?? Think about it this way, when he was alive, he put da West Coast on da MAP and repped it to death. The west coast was gettin alota love and alota money was made. But when he died.. it seemed like everything died.. it seemed as if no one reconized any other west coast rappers from other coasts anymore.. they all stayed local but the East Coast still continued to rock the rap world.
Maybe I should ask yallz.. if 2pac didnt join Death Row, would the west be dead as today? When pac wasi n Digital Underground, he was tight, and alota west coast rappers was being played everywhere on the radio and on MTV. It was like a stiff competition between the West and East cuz they were both strong. But when 2pac went with Death Row, the West Coast's status boosted way up there maxed out!! It was crazy.... remember? And when 2pac died, the west hit hard down to the floor and now it seems the west aint shiet anymore.
Before you reply, think abuot it first before u start flamming on me and shiet cuz i know alota u mofos love to jump into conclusions right away.

[Maddest of Men]

The only reason anything happened between East and West was because of Tupac and Biggie, and when Tupac died, the rivalry with the west died. Their was no point in beefing anymore, the people who started it had died, and in turn, no one fought anymore. In turn we have artists who represent neither east nor west, but rap as a whole, and I am glad to see it united. However I hate how 50 Cent is trying to start his own rivalry with Ja Rule. Ja obviously isn't doing anything, and it is completely pointless.

[mysticwarrior]

^^^ nice reply.keepin it positive

[mysticwarrior]

bump this up baby@!

Sadly, yes.

[Tha Cunnysmythe]

^Yeah, me too. The thing is, there was nothing wrong with it in the first place! Then 2Pac came and unnecessarily essentially became the West, despite being from the fuckin' Bronx and formerly being called MC New York. So when he died, the West went with it. The West would probably still be quite strong if he'd never repped it.

[snoopdog]

Originally Posted by Maddest of Men

The only reason anything happened between East and West was because of Tupac and Biggie, and when Tupac died, the rivalry with the west died. Their was no point in beefing anymore, the people who started it had died, and in turn, no one fought anymore. In turn we have artists who represent neither east nor west, but rap as a whole, and I am glad to see it united. However I hate how 50 Cent is trying to start his own rivalry with Ja Rule. Ja obviously isn't doing anything, and it is completely pointless.

fuck ja if he wanted to end this beef between him and 50 he should'nt stabbed that dude plus calling a truce and then take shots at dude.thats shits crazy.he wanted to sit down with 50 and at the same time making little comments at him neither one of them wants to end it for whatever reason.

[snoopdog]

Originally Posted by Tha Cunnysmythe

^Yeah, me too. The thing is, there was nothing wrong with it in the first place! Then 2Pac came and unnecessarily essentially became the West, despite being from the fuckin' Bronx and formerly being called MC New York. So when he died, the West went with it. The West would probably still be quite strong if he'd never repped it.

if it was'nt for pac there would not be a west coast plus he grew up in oakland so why could'nt he rep that.plus new york was turning its back on pac so he went where there was love where they was looking for a leader.so he was like fuck new york.

[snoopdog]

see people looking at pac as the only one keeping this beef alive between east and west coast.if yall go back snoop the dogg pound suge dj quick comptons most wanted west side connection all of them was responsible for the fall of the west.pac was the only one that got all the attention.west coast just did'nt have no talent

[MistaChipz]

Originally Posted by Tha Cunnysmythe

^Yeah, me too. The thing is, there was nothing wrong with it in the first place! Then 2Pac came and unnecessarily essentially became the West, despite being from the fuckin' Bronx and formerly being called MC New York. So when he died, the West went with it. The West would probably still be quite strong if he'd never repped it.

I AGREE...lets be real his formative years were in the west, he repped the west from lp 1...he repped northern cali, the bay,and marin city, before he started reppin LA...lets make that clear, he wasnt even signe when he was in NY....

.....I dont think Pac ruined the row, and the west was on da map looong before Pac came to the row....I think Suge ruined Pac, in turn ruining the row and the westcoast along with it......when Pac died Snoop dropped some wack shit and started denouncing gangsta rap, Dre left, and the dogg pound didnt dropp anything.....I remember reading articles about Nate being our last hope, it was TRULY SAD....Nate flopped, minus having one hit song "Never leave me alone"... Daz and Kurupt never did drop a second lp, well atleast not an official deathrow release....97 was our last year to shine...Westside Connection was hot and Pac had old records circulating, not to mention the GANG RELATED soundtrack and GRIDLOCK'D....

the east even at the time didnt just have Bad Boy, they had wu, jigga, Nas, etc and boy does the list go on....the west had one major label, besides cube, wc, and mack 10, all we had was the row...It's like putting all your money into one investment, if it doesnt come through, YOUR BROKE.....we dont have to go eastcoast, we can still keep the gangsta funk, but we have to try new things, maybe samples over hard gangsta melodies or somethin, I dont know im not a producer...we also need to up our lyrical content, schemes and flow included, all that simple bang bang cuzz/blood shit is over with... why westcoast ni99as always gotta yell out the hood they claim?...like we the only state that gangbangs ...Dre needs to put out some westcoast artist..Snoop too..Yuk needs to make more of an effort to get his shit out there..Crook needs to leave the row...any westcoast artist who has the power to do it needs to help the youth so we have a westcoast market in ten years...

Originally Posted by snoopdog

if it was'nt for pac there would not be a west coast plus he grew up in oakland so why could'nt he rep that.plus new york was turning its back on pac so he went where there was love where they was looking for a leader.so he was like fuck new york.

Are you stupid or something? What about NWA, DJ Quik, too Short, All of Deathrow...They were the west...Pac just added a little bit of flavor. He was not the whole westcoast.

[mysticwarrior]

Its true that WSG, Snoop was already reppin the West and already had beef with the East Coast, but when 2pac came along,. like u said-had all the attension. He basically pushed the beef to the max with no way of comming back down. If he wasnt here, the tension between the east and west would have toned down sooner or later. Cause then Dre already left, Snoop just had a baby i think during that time and he didnt get support from Dre. THen snoop didnt want anymore beef and started doing tracks with NY rappers and/or made the song New York New York. Basically the beef woulda went away somehow. Just that 2pac added more shiet to the flames. And im sure its all Suge's fault in the first place. Suge prob made his artists do a lot of bad things they didnt want to do like dissing ppl out of little things, starting shiet, more attention-more money,-more sales!

[B. Fury]

Originally Posted by SkeB IjK

Are you stupid or something? What about NWA, DJ Quik, too Short, All of Deathrow...They were the west...Pac just added a little bit of flavor. He was not the whole westcoast.

Dawg, he said LEADER. As in Biggin being the king of NY, same goes for Pac.

[BTruth]

Suge Ruined the west. Fucked up Pacs career. I think suge was partly behind continuing continuing the beef with BIG. Suge fucked up Dre, at least aftermath was a huge success. He fucked with snoop.

He is fuckin with crooked I too. Crooked I was supposed to be the future, but look where he has gone this far.

[seatownboy13]

shit tupac gave the west coast magic

[Krooked*k]

Alright Im westcoast 1st nothing died
what happened was that during the time pac was alive
the gangsta shit was popin
when he died we felt the loss and the industry discouraged gangbanging etc, and tryed to shift and clean up the whole scene
and since gangster rap was what the west was known for

snoop
xibit lost the magic.....?
nwa
pac
dre
krupt
wc
dj quick
ice cube
mack 10
alkohalics
ice t
too short
pharside

[Tha Cunnysmythe]

Originally Posted by snoopdog

if it was'nt for pac there would not be a west coast plus he grew up in oakland so why could'nt he rep that.plus new york was turning its back on pac so he went where there was love where they was looking for a leader.so he was like fuck new york.

It was NY's Oakland, not the Bay's...

And Pac always had love for New York.

I think the West is at a really good state right now.

The Game's coming out
Dre's detox'll come out sometime
crook should have an album by the end of the decade
Westside connection's new album is fire
Cube has a new solo
Daz/snoop/dre are doing business again

[Def Squad Fan]

Game is the only heavyweight doin work on the West Coast. Their obviously ain't no talent in the west because Game, Dre, Eminem, 50 or somebody would have developed it by now. Why is it EM is the only artist Dre could blow up before the Game landed? They are just lackin.

How come E-40 can't find one worthy m.c. to foster in the whole bay? When you look at all the hot West artist they are all from the 90's except game. That's a shame. It's like they have been pigeoned holed into only rapping a certain way and about certain subjects.

Coolio made gangsters paradise as big as it could possibly get for the genre now it's time to find something else intriguing about the California lifestyle.

Game resurrected it but it took absolute genius to do it. The mediocre rappers are not going to be so lucky with the genre.

[TradeMark310]

Man, who cares what gets spins on the radio and MTV now? Seriously, MTV has been deader then the West will ever be. They are the fakest, most hypocritical shit out there right now, and radio isn't far behind. They haven't looked for real talent for years, they just look for what sells. I don't care how "big" or not dudes are, guys like MURS and People Under the Stairs hold it down regardless of airplay.

Yo, its 2009. This is the time to be self-made, not over-hyped on commercial radio bullshit.