Bob Arum offers Floyd Mayweather $8 Million FOR NOVEMBER! NO EXCUSES!

[TheFrogFather]

It was originally October, but since Floyd has a contract with HBO for november, so Bob Arum NOW gave the option to Floyd for November.

Floyd wants Mosley, but after the Vargas fight I can tell by Mosley's statements he doesn't want to fight him this year.

So, if Floyd doesn't get the fight with Mosley, then he has to take the Margarito fight.

Seriously, I'm a Mayweather fan (not a nuthugger though like most fans).

I have seen him fight at Golden Gloves, Olympics, and I have all his old fights on VHS. I have followed him throughout his career and I didn't jump on the bandwagon after he demolished Gatti like most people did.

But this is why if the Shane Mosley fight doesn't fall through, he has to take the Magarito fight.

1) "If it makes dollars it makes sense" (Mayweather quote)

What fighter can he fight in November (hatton, ODLH, cotto, probably mosley said they don't want to fight him this year) that can make him a guaranteed $8 million?

That is the biggest payday of his life. He has never made that money in his career for a fight.

2) His Legacy

I was with the rest of the Mayweather fans. Who the fuck did Margarito beat?

Big natural welterweight, heavy hands, and coming off impressive knockouts, but who has he beat?

But that's not the point. The point is you can't determine your own legacy. The media (journalist, historians, analysts, etc...) and the fans determine your legacy because they are the ones passing on your accomplishments and stories years from now.

Roy Jones always been critized for not fighting Nigel Benn, Chris Eubanks, Steve Collens, Joe Calzaghe, etc...

Why would you want to give people room to critize you? If Margarito is such an "easy work" for Floyd, then why doesn't he have a easy payday and silence the critics along the way?

Who the fuck is Henry Bruselles (shit I don't even know how to spell his name)? All I know is Floyd fought him for less than $8 million and nobody even demanded that fight. He fought Henry because he couldn't get a big name fighter just like now. But why not fight one for $8 million?

Like I said I'm a Mayweather fan, so I'm not jumping to conclusion. Hey, he's fighting in November and it's only JULY, so you can't blame a man for waiting his options (Answer from Shane Mosley, the result of Gatti/Baldomir, etc...).

But if the Mosley fight doesn't happen, then he should fight Margarito. There's the other fight available to him that can get him that kind of money and there's no other fight that's available out there that has more demands from the fans.

Even if you are a Mayweather fan, wouldn't you want to see the fight? Wouldn't you want the Floyd haters and doubters to shut up?

Let's just wait and see Floyd's announcement........

[~OMagic~]

The main reason Floyd doesnt wanna fight Margarito right now is cuz nobody knows who Margarito is outside of boxing.


Floyd wants to beat a Mosley or Oscar to give him that star power and make him a household name

i just hope it happens.

i would dish out the bucks for this fight margarito vs floyd.

powerful slugger vs short skinny technician.

[R3flex]

Wait a second. WINKY just called out Margarito. Tony fans say Floyd is ducking. It looks like Tony is now ducking Winky.

[Syza Koza]

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that newly crownded IBF junior middleweight champion Cory Spinks is in serious discussions to face welterweight Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in his next fight, which would be the main event of a pay-per-view scheduled on November 4.

Kevin Cunningham, who is the manager and trainer of Spinks, told the paper that negotiations to make the fight have gotten "very, very serious" and things are looking good for the fight to happen.

"Things are looking very, very good for Floyd to be the next fight. We're in serious negotiations. It's a huge opportunity that would put Cory into a whole other hemisphere if he won," Cunningham said.

Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather's adviser, confirmed that talks have taken place, but the talks were preliminary and although Cunningham wants Spinks to be the opponent for November 4, he would likely be Mayweather's opponent for his next pay-per-view which is scheduled on February 24.

"It's just preliminary discussions. Cory is a strong possibility (for February)," Ellerbe said. But we can't fight everybody on the same night. Much as the fans would like that to happen, Floyd can only fight one at a time."


^BIG. FUCKING. SUPRISE.

[~OMagic~]

lol that not a surprise, Spinks been begging to fight Floyd forever now


It makes sense cuz Spinks has been known to sell out like 20,000 arenas in St. Louis

[TheFrogFather]

Originally Posted by ~OMagic~

The main reason Floyd doesnt wanna fight Margarito right now is cuz nobody knows who Margarito is outside of boxing.


Floyd wants to beat a Mosley or Oscar to give him that star power and make him a household name

I agree that Margarito is not a superstar and doesn't hold a household name outside of die hard boxing fans and some casual boxing fans.

But you're theory of wanting to get "star power and make him a household name" doesn't make sense at this point.

The only person that can make him a "star outside of boxing" is Oscar De La Hoya and maybe Shane Mosley, which they both stated they aren't interested in a fight this year.

So, how does and what does fighting Corey Spinks going to do for his "star power?"

Nothing.

He's also a unknown fighter unless you are a boxing fan, and the only reason he sold 20,000 was because it was in St. Louis, which hasn't seen boxing since he got knocked out by Judah and even before that hasn't seen major boxing event, not to mention that it's his hometown, and the fight is obviously not going to be in St. Louis.

Most of these rich people don't go to boxing fights because they understand the sport and know the history of the fighters envolved; many of them don't follow boxing and can't name fighters outside of Oscar, Mosley, and will ask his Mike Tyson still around? They go to the fights because it's a event. Especially if it's in Las Vegas or Staple Center or any other big venue in a big city. It creates a buzz and the promotional team attracts the people for the event.

Margarito has a Mexican following, not the extent of Julion Cesar Chavez, Oscar, Vargas, Eric Morales, Barrera, etc...But none the less, he has a good share of fans, and not only that the boxing fans in general are going to pay for this fight.

So, how much money is Floyd going to make fighting Corey Spinks?

Not 8 million dollars, which would be the biggest payday of his career.

Hey if it makes dollars it makes sense right?


Let me ask you something as a Mayweather fan that you are, and I asked myself (a mayweather fan) the same question.

Wouldn't you want to see Floyd fight Margarito because of the contrast in styles, which might create a interesting fight and result, whether Floyd dominates with his handspeed and ring smarts or whether Margarito uses his size and strength to pressure mayweather to the ropes? Wouldn't you want the Floyd haters and doubters to shut up about Margarito and the criticism Floyd receives?

You are truly lying to yourself if you would rather watch a Mayweather/Spinks right than a Mayweather/Margarito fight.

I'm not saying Mayweather is scared or Margarito is going to win. I'm still a Mayweather fan and think he's going to beat Margarito with his speed and ring smarts, but it doesn't make sense of him fighting Cory Spinks, atleast not now considering the $8 million offer and the demand by the boxing fans/media. Even boxingtalk.com wants Floyd to fight and they are second home to Floyd Mayweather.

1. "Margarito is a nobody...who has he beat...when was the last time you seen him on HBO?" - Floyd

I agreed with Floyd. Who is Margarito?

But after two knockouts and considering his power/size, people started seeing how interest the fight could be. There was a demand for it. Margarito became well known due to the fact that it would be an interesting match (not saying

2. "If Bob Arum wants to put up the money...I'll punish him" - Floyd

I agree with Floyd. Floyd can make so much more money fighting a bigger name and have more pay per view buys.

Bob Arum puts up $8 million guarantee.

3. "I want to fight Oscar" - Floyd

I agree Floyd might make more money fighting Oscar along with PPV numbers and not only that he gets star power which will pay dividends down the road for future fights.

Oscar decided not to fight this year

4. "I want to fight Shane Mosley" - Floyd

I agree. I can't blame Floyd for wanting to fight Shane. He may not make 8 million, but this will give him more star power and do better for his legacy, also considering Shane just KOed Vargas. This fight has momentum for November.

Shane decided not to fight this year


5. "I can't bleach my HBO contract for November" - Floyd

I agree. He has a contract with HBO for November and Bob wanted the fight for October. Floyd should also fight on the day he wants since he's the champion. It should be on his terms.

Bob Arum puts up the $8 million for November, the day of Floyd's PPV fight.


6. Waiting for Floyd.............


Everything he says doesn't apply anymore.


Corey Spinks =

-No demand for the fight (fans/media)
-Less money
-If he doesn't fight Spinks nobody will criticize

Antonio Margarito =

-High demand
-$8 million (biggest payday of his career)
-If he doesn't fight, people will say he's scared, Margarito would beat him, and he ducked Margarito


Floyd always says and the two things he talks about the most:

Money and his legacy

Be real to yourself.

[~OMagic~]

Lol I didnt say fighting Cory Spink would give him star power.


Floyd wants to slide Spinks in for his February fight date, not his November date.

The Spinks fight would just be a tune up fight for a match against hopefully De La Hoya in prolly May



A perfect world would be this for Floyd

November vs. Shane Mosley (at 147 to gain some star power)
February vs. Cory Spinks (at 154 to help guage him for Oscar at 154)
May vs. Oscar De La Hoya (at 154, by then Floyd will be a household name if he beats Shane and then destroys Spinks)

hat would easily give Floyd and Oscar a pay day of more than 30 million each

and by them hopefully Margarito would have a name built up and then Floyd vs. Margarito could fight

[~OMagic~]

Also, Floyd told Margarito to his face "Earn it"


Floyd has already sealed his spot as the best boxer out there... now he is in a business mind frame.


Of course $8 millon to fight Margarito would be his biggest pay day.

But if everybody just chills the fuck out and let these two build up the fight for sometimes next summer fi you follow my plan in the previous post that fight would easily double or triple in guranteed money.

[TheFrogFather]

Originally Posted by R3flex

Wait a second. WINKY just called out Margarito. Tony fans say Floyd is ducking. It looks like Tony is now ducking Winky.

Actually, when they knew Floyd wasn't interested for October, they offered Winky a deal for $4 million. Winky refused because he wanted the $8 million that Floyd was offered.

Bob Arum didn't think the fight can generate that much revenue to the point where he could be compensated, so Winky was only offered $4 million.

Then, Bob Arum risked his card for November for Manny/Morales fight in November to put up the money for Floyd's November PPV fight so he can fight Margarito. They are still waiting a answer from Floyd.

Then Winky promotions teamed up with Golden Boy promotions and offered Bob Arum around $1.5 million dollars for promotions to go on with the Winky/Margarito fight. Bob Arum declined for many reasons, which the biggest reason was he's NOT doing business with Oscar and Golden Boy promotion, that's one of the reason Floyd bought out his contract to get his fight with Oscar.

See, Margarito is still waiting for Floyd's answer and Margarito is not the p4p king and the best fighter in boxing with a demand for PPV mega fight. Margarito doesn't have a fight date planned nor is he a HBO fighter who is obligated to figtht on certain time slot. Winky still has many options open, and Winky doesn't have an obligation to fight, he has options for Taylor rematch, Calzaghe mega fight when the fight is available etc... There is no rush because neither fighter HAS TO FIGHT in November and THERE WAS NO DEMAND TO START WITH....the question of them fighting was never mentioned until Winky/Margarito fight might happen was announced, that's when the buzz started circulating.

But Mayweather HAS TO FIGHT november!

There is no one for Floyd to fight RIGHT NOW for NOVEMBER that has MORE DEMAND (from fans/media) and MORE MONEY (guaranteed $8 million) than a Margarito fight. All his options Oscar, Shane, Hatton, Cotto, and any fight that people demanded, those fighters declined for this year for many reasons, so Floyd has no one BUT Margarito that can give him the MONEY and LEGACY.

[R3flex]

But Floyd isn't in as much need as Margarito to make a power move.

Floyd fights a nobody in November. He's still top 3 p4p.

Margarito fights a nobody in his next fight, he's still the overrated club fighter.

Tony screams that big names are ducking him. Yet one calls him out and Arum doesn't snatch it up instantly. That's suspect to me and only helps the "Margarito just wants Floyd so he can lose to the best or land a hail mary lucky punch" argument.

I'll even give the "ducking" thing to Tony fans. Fine, Floyd is ducking Margarito. He's terrified of the slow guy with wide punches and awkward feet. Tony fans can have that.

But.....now, why won't Tony fight Winky?

[~OMagic~]

Floyd doesnt HAVE to fight in November... he just has that date RESERVED meaning nobody can take it from him.


Same as how Bob Arum had October 7th RESERVED but he gave it up.

[TheFrogFather]

Originally Posted by R3flex

But Floyd isn't in as much need as Margarito to make a power move.

Floyd fights a nobody in November. He's still top 3 p4p.

Margarito fights a nobody in his next fight, he's still the overrated club fighter.

Tony screams that big names are ducking him. Yet one calls him out and Arum doesn't snatch it up instantly. That's suspect to me and only helps the "Margarito just wants Floyd so he can lose to the best or land a hail mary lucky punch" argument.

I'll even give the "ducking" thing to Tony fans. Fine, Floyd is ducking Margarito. He's terrified of the slow guy with wide punches and awkward feet. Tony fans can have that.

But.....now, why won't Tony fight Winky?

Like, I said there was no demand for Winky/Margarito. Everybody wants to see the Floyd/Margarito fight.

The offer was initially given to Winky by Bob Arum because they wanted the fight. Winky turned them down first, so the offer was there and Winky turned it down, and that was before they were working with Golden Boy and that was before the offer for 8 mil was moved to November.

Of course, it's an obligation for the best fighter to take on opposition that the fans and media demands, after all they are the ones who determine your legacy, your history, your hall of fame vote, and carry on your accomplishments/legacy years from now. If the same media and fans are saying you're ducking a fighter than that's what you're going to be associated with when it comes to why you didn't fight a certain fighter. I never said Floyd was scared or ducking. I'm just stating what is the norm in boxing history. No matter how many times Floyd says "I'll make easy work of him," "he's a bum," "he never beat anybody," etc...That's whay it will come down to.

Margarito is an unknown fighter, he's not even top 10 lb for lb, and nobody would even say he's a great fighter, and that's true I agree with those people. But do you not understand that different level of fighters are held in different expectations and regards. If you are the best fighter in the world and are #1 in the p4p rakings among very well established boxing media, magazines, and boxing experts, you are obligated to fight the best opposition or atleast the one that is available to you. People wanted to see how Floyd would do against Margarito a natural big welterweight with power. There's a demand since Floyd moved to welterweight. People had been asking Floyd on boxingtalk chat every single time. The numerous threads/posts asking for the fight. The articles from boxing media wanting to see the fight.

However, Margarito/Winky fight was never in the talk. Nobody has ever demanded or even advertised the idea of Winky/Margarito. It was Hatton/Floyd, Winky/Taylor, Castillo/Cotto/Hatton/Gatti, etc...many interesting fights had been thought of, but never did a interest in a fight for Winky/Margarito fight ever come up until they announced there might be a possibility of the fight. The idea was issued by Bob Arum/Margarito, they are the ones who initiated the idea (Floyd has never mentioned he wanted a Margarito fight). Like I said, that was all before Winky turned him down, he joined promotions with Golden Boy, and the offer was moved to November.

Also, Don't confused me with the other Floyd haters because I never said Floyd was ducking or Margarito will beat him or Floyd is scared. I said it wouldn't make sense for him to fight anybody else considering money and legacy isn't a issue.

[TheFrogFather]

Originally Posted by ~OMagic~

Lol I didnt say fighting Cory Spink would give him star power.


Floyd wants to slide Spinks in for his February fight date, not his November date.

The Spinks fight would just be a tune up fight for a match against hopefully De La Hoya in prolly May



A perfect world would be this for Floyd

November vs. Shane Mosley (at 147 to gain some star power)
February vs. Cory Spinks (at 154 to help guage him for Oscar at 154)
May vs. Oscar De La Hoya (at 154, by then Floyd will be a household name if he beats Shane and then destroys Spinks)

hat would easily give Floyd and Oscar a pay day of more than 30 million each

and by them hopefully Margarito would have a name built up and then Floyd vs. Margarito could fight

Originally Posted by ~OMagic~

Also, Floyd told Margarito to his face "Earn it"


Floyd has already sealed his spot as the best boxer out there... now he is in a business mind frame.


Of course $8 millon to fight Margarito would be his biggest pay day.

But if everybody just chills the fuck out and let these two build up the fight for sometimes next summer fi you follow my plan in the previous post that fight would easily double or triple in guranteed money.

After watching the Vargas/Mosley fight, you can pretty much tell Mosley doesn't want to fight him this year. He made whole munch of excuses why he didn't want the fight this year.

If Shane fight happens, then I can't blame Floyd for taking the fight.

But if it doesn't, even you have to admit Margarito fight is the only one that makes sense.