Marion > Twack

Brahman · 03-02-2006, 03:15 PM

shawn marion is an overrated statistical defender, and the coaches spotted that last season

due to the suns' up-and-down style of play, he's bound to catch a few errant passes and shots here and there for steals and blocks

the suns as a whole don't play good lockdown defense, and neither does marion

edit: and, the bagina, it's not because of a lack of effort or energy that holds marion back on the offensive end. it's purely a lack of ability, period. t-mac has a higher propensity to play better defense than shawn marion has to play better offense. marion doesn't have the ball-handling or side-to-side agility to get more out of his offense. he's simply a one-dimensional open court player.

at least we KNOW t-mac has the athleticism to play good defense and has proven that in the past. on the other hand, shawn marion has done nothing over the course of his career to prove he's a dynamic offensive player...

Brahman · 03-02-2006, 03:20 PM

wait, bump that...

the coaches didn't spot that just last season but every season he's been in the nba... dude has never made an all-defensive team

t-mac haters often knock him for not making an all-d squad, but marion hasn't either. if he were such a "stellar defender", why hasn't it shown up on his resume? ah, that's right. because he's an overrated statistical defender.

Brahman · 03-02-2006, 03:40 PM

oh, since most of you don't like to actually BACK UP any of your arguments with hard facts, lemme do so for mine...

here are some scoring numbers for forwards the against phoenix suns this year:

carmelo anthony (in 3 games): 31.3 PPG (58.9 FG%) - his highest scoring average AND shooting percentage over 3 games against any team

lebron james (in 2 games): 45.0 PPG (57.4 FG%) - his highest scoring average against any team and 3rd highest percentage against a team

dirk nowitzki (in 2 games): 28.5 PPG (48.9 FG%) - both figures are higher than his season averages

ron artest (in 2 games): 20.0 PPG (45.9 FG%) - both figures are higher than his season averages

i could go on and on, but i think you should see my point by now if you have an inkling of intelligence. i thought shawn marion was the suns' premier "lockdown defender"??? where was he in covering these opposing teams' best weapons? don't even bring up tracy mcgrady's struggles, because he's looked like crap against A LOT of teams which had nothing to do with the defense played on him.

so, there you have it... strong support for my thesis. shawn marion is just as lax on defense as the suns as a whole. the only difference is that he's in a position to rack up blocks and steals from the fast pace giving it a false impression that he's playing great defense.

*pats self on back*

my research and fact-searching are impeccable

Iceodu921 · 03-02-2006, 03:53 PM

we dnt knock him for not making all d team. he gets knocked for playing no defense. Hes not as good a defender as marion, marion is by far a better overall player.

G-Rob da great · 03-02-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceodu921

marion is by far a better overall player.

Yung Lyon · 03-02-2006, 06:21 PM

brahman u killed it duke lmao

....BaSh.... · 03-02-2006, 07:00 PM

marion isnt better than mcgrady he has played alongside a great playmaker his whole career Jason Kidd, Stephon Marbury and now Steve Nash so the game has been easy for him hence why he's career assist per game average is only 2.1 whereas T-Mac has to be the playmaker and the go to guy for his team so McGrady>Marion

style-rip · 03-02-2006, 07:50 PM

who cares about this debate, lets talk about how kobe > marion

Imperial Poet · 03-02-2006, 08:54 PM

If Mcgrady had Nash on his team he just
might be as good as Marion. But since he doesen't.........
Marion>TMac

Imperial Poet · 03-02-2006, 09:01 PM

double post

Who Kares · 03-02-2006, 09:17 PM

if Mcgrady was on the same team as nash....nash would average less than 6 assists a game...

Who Kares · 03-02-2006, 09:18 PM

if Mcgrady was on the same team as nash....nash would average less than 6 assists a game...

Iceodu921 · 03-02-2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imperial Poet

If Mcgrady had Nash on his team he just
might be as good as Marion. But since he doesen't.........
Marion>TMac

such a weak agruement. notice marion pre nash avg 21 ppg last yr he avg 19... he was a extremly good baller before nash.. people act like they were scrubs and nash turned them into all stars.. So please stop with that excuse people.

nash is becoming so overrated..any1 realize that dallas is actcually doing better without him?

Iceodu921 · 03-02-2006, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Rob da great

better on defense and on the boards=better overall.

ProFane · 03-03-2006, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceodu921

such a weak agruement. notice marion pre nash avg 21 ppg last yr he avg 19... he was a extremly good baller before nash.. people act like they were scrubs and nash turned them into all stars.. So please stop with that excuse people.

nash is becoming so overrated..any1 realize that dallas is actcually doing better without him?

Thank you. fuck and niggaz forget that Marion was drafted in 99. duke is just coming into his game and he's already PASSED Tmac is most aspects of his game. Mac has been in the leauge 2 more years and he's so worn down he looks like he will only be in the leauge for 2 to 3 more years.

ProFane · 03-03-2006, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceodu921

better on defense and on the boards=better overall.

The ONLY part of Tmac's game that is better then Marions is his ball handling ablity. Thats it. ANY other thing Matrix has the edge or the out right dominance on Mac.

Tmac is a Taller worse version of Gilbert Areanas. i wouldnt even compare Mac to Kobe at this point. he doesnt even deserve that and im a big Kobe hater.

style-rip · 03-03-2006, 05:12 AM

i hate how marion shoots the rock.. seems like the same stroke as that autistic kid in high school tnt did a special on

ProFane · 03-03-2006, 05:20 AM

yeah but its effective. thats all that matters.

i just hate how overrated Tmac is. he's not even the best player on his team. he got put into a potential Shaq/Kobe situation and hasnt done a fuckign thing with it. Also being hurt is a big part of how he isnt that good anymore. how much help has Grant hill been to the Magic. its the same type of deal. you cant help your team if your not on the court. TWACK is overrated. he's not even top 20 player in the leauge anymore.

03-02-2006, 03:15 PM	#21 (permalink)
Brahman Mel Van Peebles Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 37th Chamber Posts: 17,275	shawn marion is an overrated statistical defender, and the coaches spotted that last season due to the suns' up-and-down style of play, he's bound to catch a few errant passes and shots here and there for steals and blocks the suns as a whole don't play good lockdown defense, and neither does marion edit: and, the bagina, it's not because of a lack of effort or energy that holds marion back on the offensive end. it's purely a lack of ability, period. t-mac has a higher propensity to play better defense than shawn marion has to play better offense. marion doesn't have the ball-handling or side-to-side agility to get more out of his offense. he's simply a one-dimensional open court player. at least we KNOW t-mac has the athleticism to play good defense and has proven that in the past. on the other hand, shawn marion has done nothing over the course of his career to prove he's a dynamic offensive player... __________________ U Y d Z \ 卍卍卍卍卍卍卍亹见谷 ∞ 谷见亹 Last edited by Brahman; 03-02-2006 at 03:25 PM.

03-02-2006, 03:20 PM	#22 (permalink)
Brahman Mel Van Peebles Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 37th Chamber Posts: 17,275	wait, bump that... the coaches didn't spot that just last season but every season he's been in the nba... dude has never made an all-defensive team t-mac haters often knock him for not making an all-d squad, but marion hasn't either. if he were such a "stellar defender", why hasn't it shown up on his resume? ah, that's right. because he's an overrated statistical defender. __________________ U Y d Z \ 卍卍卍卍卍卍卍亹见谷 ∞ 谷见亹

03-02-2006, 03:40 PM	#23 (permalink)
Brahman Mel Van Peebles Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 37th Chamber Posts: 17,275	oh, since most of you don't like to actually BACK UP any of your arguments with hard facts, lemme do so for mine... here are some scoring numbers for forwards the against phoenix suns this year: carmelo anthony (in 3 games): 31.3 PPG (58.9 FG%) - his highest scoring average AND shooting percentage over 3 games against any team lebron james (in 2 games): *45.0 PPG* (57.4 FG%) - his highest scoring average against any team and 3rd highest percentage against a team dirk nowitzki (in 2 games): 28.5 PPG (48.9 FG%) - both figures are higher than his season averages ron artest (in 2 games): 20.0 PPG (45.9 FG%) - both figures are higher than his season averages i could go on and on, but i think you should see my point by now if you have an inkling of intelligence. i thought shawn marion was the suns' premier "lockdown defender"??? where was he in covering these opposing teams' best weapons? don't even bring up tracy mcgrady's struggles, because he's looked like crap against A LOT of teams which had nothing to do with the defense played on him. so, there you have it... strong support for my thesis. shawn marion is just as lax on defense as the suns as a whole. the only difference is that he's in a position to rack up blocks and steals from the fast pace giving it a false impression that he's playing great defense. pats self on back my research and fact-searching are impeccable __________________ U Y d Z \ 卍卍卍卍卍卍卍亹见谷 ∞ 谷见亹 Last edited by Brahman; 03-02-2006 at 03:41 PM.

03-02-2006, 06:21 PM	#26 (permalink)
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03-02-2006, 07:50 PM	#28 (permalink)
style-rip Lakers. 73-9 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northridge Posts: 11,962	who cares about this debate, lets talk about how kobe > marion __________________ Lakers. the only relevant team in the league.

03-02-2006, 03:53 PM	#24 (permalink)
Iceodu921 Resident Sports Genius Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: wit ur girl Posts: 6,284	we dnt knock him for not making all d team. he gets knocked for playing no defense. Hes not as good a defender as marion, marion is by far a better overall player.

03-02-2006, 07:00 PM	#27 (permalink)
....BaSh.... Lakers all day! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: FL Posts: 3,571	marion isnt better than mcgrady he has played alongside a great playmaker his whole career Jason Kidd, Stephon Marbury and now Steve Nash so the game has been easy for him hence why he's career assist per game average is only 2.1 whereas T-Mac has to be the playmaker and the go to guy for his team so McGrady>Marion

03-02-2006, 08:54 PM	#29 (permalink)
Imperial Poet Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,456	If Mcgrady had Nash on his team he just might be as good as Marion. But since he doesen't......... Marion>TMac __________________ PWNAGE.......

03-02-2006, 09:01 PM	#30 (permalink)
Imperial Poet Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,456	double post __________________ PWNAGE.......

03-02-2006, 09:17 PM	#31 (permalink)
Who Kares not even your mother Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ny Posts: 3,115	if Mcgrady was on the same team as nash....nash would average less than 6 assists a game...

03-02-2006, 09:18 PM	#32 (permalink)
Who Kares not even your mother Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ny Posts: 3,115	if Mcgrady was on the same team as nash....nash would average less than 6 assists a game...

03-03-2006, 05:12 AM	#37 (permalink)
style-rip Lakers. 73-9 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northridge Posts: 11,962	i hate how marion shoots the rock.. seems like the same stroke as that autistic kid in high school tnt did a special on __________________ Lakers. the only relevant team in the league.