Nobody's Talking About The NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement

Old Soul · 02-25-2006, 05:29 PM

Talks to re-new the CBA have halted and there's a good possibility there will be no cap for the '07 season.

Imagine that.

Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder will go buck-fucking-wild.

They better get their shit together.

Associated Press

DETROIT -- There's nothing like a little gloom and doom at the end of Super Bowl week.

NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue's pessimism about labor negotiations with the players' union permeated his annual state of the league address Friday.

"We're not making the kind of progress we need to be making," he said. "I don't think negotiations are going very well."

Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, said the same thing the previous day. Upshaw warned that without significant movement by March 9, the union will consider its legal options.

The collective bargaining agreement expires after the 2007 season. But under the current contract, there would be no salary cap in 2007. Upshaw insists if the cap disappears then, it won't come back.

Tagliabue doesn't recognize March 9 as any particular deadline -- after all, there are two full seasons remanning under the deal -- but he has a sense of urgency.

Unfortunately, he believes the owners and players are drifting farther apart.

"I do think there needs to be an outreach and more reality on both sides," Tagliabue said. "There needs to be a positive dose of reality on both sides of the table. To some degree, positions are hardening on both sides when they shouldn't be."

He wasn't optimistic about making much progress in negotiations before the league's meetings begin March 25 in Orlando, Fla.

"A lot of things get done at the 11th hour and 59th minute," Tagliabue said. "I don't know if we'll get something done by the league meetings."

These talks have become more contentious in great part because team owners can't agree among themselves how to divide revenues that will go to the players. High-revenue teams who make more money from sources other than television and ticket sales are balking at contributing the same percentage of their income as low-revenue franchises.

Patriots owners Robert Kraft, one of the league's power brokers, believes a CBA extension must preclude any agreement among the owners on how to split money.

"Until we know what our deal is with the union, we can't come together among ourselves on revenue sharing," he said.

Upshaw talked Thursday about a potential decertification of the union. Tagliabue conceded those were possibilities, but "I don't think we'll be in litigation or decertification."

Tagliabue also:

-- noted that while the "Rooney rule" that requires interviewing minority candidates for coaching and front office jobs is working, no minorities got any of the eight openings filled thus far.

"I thought we were getting beyond the stereotypes and these men were accepted as coaches, not as minority coaches," Tagliabue said. "I thought it would carry over to the hiring process and it didn't.

"We all understand the need to be aggressive to blitz this issue. We need to be measured by what we do and achieve, and not by what we say."

-- reiterated league support for keeping the Saints in New Orleans, saying the commitment is multiyear. He hopes all eight of their regular-season games next season will be played at the Superdome.

"The team coming back and the Superdome coming back can be a magnet to attract other businesses," he said.

-- virtually ruled out an international regular-season game in 2006. Although the 49ers-Cardinals game in Mexico City last October was a huge success, "right now it would be difficult to play a regular-season game outside the United States in this upcoming season."

-- expressed his support for instant replay as an officiating tool, even as he acknowledged the botched reversal in the Pittsburgh-Indianapolis playoff game.

"It's perfectly clear that in an overwhelming number of cases, it eliminates mistaken calls and gives officiating crews the chance to see things they do not see in real time."

-- saw only expansion to Los Angeles anytime soon, even though it would give the NFL an odd number of franchises.

"To me, the only possibility in the foreseeable future for an expansion team would be Los Angeles," he said. "I could not see a decision with two expansion teams."

Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

toker · 02-25-2006, 07:48 PM

id put my money on the seahawks

paul allen is richer than both

Old Soul · 02-25-2006, 10:12 PM

^ True.

Purple Haze · 02-25-2006, 10:28 PM

Jets!

Old Soul · 02-25-2006, 10:34 PM

Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, said the same thing the previous day. Upshaw warned that without significant movement by March 9, the union will consider its legal options.

The collective bargaining agreement expires after the 2007 season. But under the current contract, there would be no salary cap in 2007. Upshaw insists if the cap disappears then, it won't come back

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Guys, this fucking sucks.

toker · 02-26-2006, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Jets!

you jet fans ready for another losing season???? its gonna be alot worse than this past yr to lol

no qb, no rb, no oline and a weak defense... smells like the niners and titans

but atleast u guys can draft adrian peterson next yr to go with cutler

toker · 02-26-2006, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by White Recluse

Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, said the same thing the previous day. Upshaw warned that without significant movement by March 9, the union will consider its legal options.

The collective bargaining agreement expires after the 2007 season. But under the current contract, there would be no salary cap in 2007. Upshaw insists if the cap disappears then, it won't come back

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Guys, this fucking sucks.

gene upshaw is just talking out his ass..

what he needs to do is get off his ass and fix the draft... Rookies shouldnt get paid more than proven VETS!!!!!!!!!!

Ed E Brock · 02-26-2006, 06:08 AM

yeah, this fucking sucks...

hopefully bud adams dies because he's a cheapskate. Maybe somebody willing to spend money will get in there for a couple seasons with no cap.

this is bad news though. The NFL will become the MLB......welcome soccer as the new sport of america lol

Nitsuj™ · 02-26-2006, 04:02 PM

shit!

Autop-Cee · 02-26-2006, 07:02 PM

It sounds like, the owners aren't pleased with sharing revenues, because it has too much friction. How many teams are we going to lose?

Rank Team Current Value1 ($mil)
1 Washington Redskins 1,264
2 Dallas Cowboys 1,063
3 New England Patriots 1,040
4 Philadelphia Eagles 952
5 Houston Texans 946
6 Denver Broncos 907
7 Cleveland Browns 892
8 Carolina Panthers 878
9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 877
10 Chicago Bears 871
11 Baltimore Ravens 864
12 Miami Dolphins 856
13 Green Bay Packers 849
14 Tennessee Titans 839
15 Seattle Seahawks 823
16 Pittsburgh Steelers 820
17 New York Giants 806
18 Detroit Lions 780
19 Kansas City Chiefs 762
20 St Louis Rams 757
21 New York Jets 739
22 New Orleans Saints 718
23 Cincinnati Bengals 716
24 Indianapolis Colts 715
25 Buffalo Bills 708
26 San Francisco 49ers 699
27 Jacksonville Jaguars 691
28 Atlanta Falcons 690
29 San Diego Chargers 678
30 Oakland Raiders 676
31 Arizona Cardinals 673
32 Minnesota Vikings 658

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/30/Rank_1.html

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/30/Rank_2.html

^^^^^^Has more stats

Iceodu921 · 02-27-2006, 12:15 AM

nice just what the jets needed.

StylisticS · 02-27-2006, 12:47 PM

When it comes down to it. There will be a salary cap. Now will it be set at 95 million, 94 or 93 million who knows. But there will be one it will just take sometime until everyone agrees to the number. That said, the Skins are so fucked its unbelievable. If they don't have an agreement by Friday. They will have to cut 15 people and still be 10 million over the cap. They are heading into Cap Hell and I WILL FUCKIN ENJOY THE SHIT OUT OF IT. If the salary cap is at 93 million or hell even 94 million. Danny boy can't restructure contracts like he has in years past.

Old Soul · 02-28-2006, 02:13 AM

^ Eh.

Cutting Arrington takes 12 mil off the cap alone. The rest of the guys won't hurt too bad besides Walt Harris, if Rogers doesn't live-up to his hype.

Player Cap number 2006 savings
LB LaVar Arrington $12,045,980 $120,308 (charge)
S Matt Bowen $2,400,000 $2,000,000
K John Hall $1,965,000 $1,035,000
CB Walt Harris $2,750,000 $2,000,000
DT Brandon Noble $2,630,000 $1,700,000
QB Patrick Ramsey $2,881,500 $1,688,000
OL Cory Raymer $1,118,333 $984,999

Old Soul · 02-28-2006, 02:14 AM

Good news, guys:

A league source tells us that a deal between the NFL and the NFL Players Association on an extension to the Collective Bargaining Agreement is "done," and that the only thing keeping the thing from being signed and sealed is the absence of a firm arrangement among owners regarding an expansion of revenue sharing.

The only remaining problem is that the new CBA replaces "Defined Gross Revenues" (i.e., the stuff that has been shared by the 32 teams for years) with "Total Football Revenues" (i.e., every penny earned). And if every penny earned, including stuff that isn't currently shared, goes into the formula for determining the salary cap, the problem is that the low-earning teams will see their individual cap numbers influenced by the much bigger money being raked in by other teams.

Stay tuned. It's looking more and more like it's only a matter of time before the owners work this thing out. As they should.

Old Soul · 03-04-2006, 06:51 PM

Geez, talks are dead. The owners can't come to an agreement.

toker · 03-04-2006, 09:16 PM

^^ blame the cheap owners and small market teams

why they think they should get money they dont deserve is beyond me... we got some cheap fucks that dont spend shit yet want part of the revenue other teams make

instead of taking risks and investing into their own product they ride the backs of the NFl and other owners

double ML · 03-05-2006, 08:15 PM

double cannot sympathize with greedy pro athletes

02-25-2006, 05:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Old Soul Nipple Nibbler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: I'll stay below the surface, breaking bread with worms. It's depravity, not gravity, that anchors flesh to Earth......... Los Angeles, CA Posts: 27,037	Nobody's Talking About The NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement Talks to re-new the CBA have halted and there's a good possibility there will be no cap for the '07 season. Imagine that. Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder will go buck-fucking-wild. They better get their shit together. Associated Press DETROIT -- There's nothing like a little gloom and doom at the end of Super Bowl week. NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue's pessimism about labor negotiations with the players' union permeated his annual state of the league address Friday. "We're not making the kind of progress we need to be making," he said. "I don't think negotiations are going very well." Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, said the same thing the previous day. Upshaw warned that without significant movement by March 9, the union will consider its legal options. The collective bargaining agreement expires after the 2007 season. But under the current contract, there would be no salary cap in 2007. Upshaw insists if the cap disappears then, it won't come back. Tagliabue doesn't recognize March 9 as any particular deadline -- after all, there are two full seasons remanning under the deal -- but he has a sense of urgency. Unfortunately, he believes the owners and players are drifting farther apart. "I do think there needs to be an outreach and more reality on both sides," Tagliabue said. "There needs to be a positive dose of reality on both sides of the table. To some degree, positions are hardening on both sides when they shouldn't be." He wasn't optimistic about making much progress in negotiations before the league's meetings begin March 25 in Orlando, Fla. "A lot of things get done at the 11th hour and 59th minute," Tagliabue said. "I don't know if we'll get something done by the league meetings." These talks have become more contentious in great part because team owners can't agree among themselves how to divide revenues that will go to the players. High-revenue teams who make more money from sources other than television and ticket sales are balking at contributing the same percentage of their income as low-revenue franchises. Patriots owners Robert Kraft, one of the league's power brokers, believes a CBA extension must preclude any agreement among the owners on how to split money. "Until we know what our deal is with the union, we can't come together among ourselves on revenue sharing," he said. Upshaw talked Thursday about a potential decertification of the union. Tagliabue conceded those were possibilities, but "I don't think we'll be in litigation or decertification." Tagliabue also: -- noted that while the "Rooney rule" that requires interviewing minority candidates for coaching and front office jobs is working, no minorities got any of the eight openings filled thus far. "I thought we were getting beyond the stereotypes and these men were accepted as coaches, not as minority coaches," Tagliabue said. "I thought it would carry over to the hiring process and it didn't. "We all understand the need to be aggressive to blitz this issue. We need to be measured by what we do and achieve, and not by what we say." -- reiterated league support for keeping the Saints in New Orleans, saying the commitment is multiyear. He hopes all eight of their regular-season games next season will be played at the Superdome. "The team coming back and the Superdome coming back can be a magnet to attract other businesses," he said. -- virtually ruled out an international regular-season game in 2006. Although the 49ers-Cardinals game in Mexico City last October was a huge success, "right now it would be difficult to play a regular-season game outside the United States in this upcoming season." -- expressed his support for instant replay as an officiating tool, even as he acknowledged the botched reversal in the Pittsburgh-Indianapolis playoff game. "It's perfectly clear that in an overwhelming number of cases, it eliminates mistaken calls and gives officiating crews the chance to see things they do not see in real time." -- saw only expansion to Los Angeles anytime soon, even though it would give the NFL an odd number of franchises. "To me, the only possibility in the foreseeable future for an expansion team would be Los Angeles," he said. "I could not see a decision with two expansion teams." Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. 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02-25-2006, 07:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
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Old Soul Nipple Nibbler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: I'll stay below the surface, breaking bread with worms. It's depravity, not gravity, that anchors flesh to Earth......... Los Angeles, CA Posts: 27,037	^ True. __________________ The venom is inside of me, the reason Greece is fallin to pieces The whole world's callin for Jesus And I'll let him take a strike or three Then crush his skull with a tree from the Garden of Eden I know he has a high threshold for pain So I'll tie him to a bull's tail and drag his flesh over Spain An equisite work of art I'll drop his head at the Louvre I'm impossible to stop once I get in a groove

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Old Soul Nipple Nibbler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: I'll stay below the surface, breaking bread with worms. It's depravity, not gravity, that anchors flesh to Earth......... Los Angeles, CA Posts: 27,037	Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, said the same thing the previous day. Upshaw warned that without significant movement by March 9, the union will consider its legal options. The collective bargaining agreement expires after the 2007 season. But under the current contract, there would be no salary cap in 2007. Upshaw insists if the cap disappears then, it won't come back ---------- Guys, this fucking sucks. __________________ The venom is inside of me, the reason Greece is fallin to pieces The whole world's callin for Jesus And I'll let him take a strike or three Then crush his skull with a tree from the Garden of Eden I know he has a high threshold for pain So I'll tie him to a bull's tail and drag his flesh over Spain An equisite work of art I'll drop his head at the Louvre I'm impossible to stop once I get in a groove

02-26-2006, 06:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ed E Brock RM's version of this guy Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,594	yeah, this fucking sucks... hopefully bud adams dies because he's a cheapskate. Maybe somebody willing to spend money will get in there for a couple seasons with no cap. this is bad news though. The NFL will become the MLB......welcome soccer as the new sport of america lol __________________ I'm not waving. I'm drowning. I'm not waving. I'm drowning. I'm not waving. I'm drowning. I'm not waving. I'm drowning. ... .. . ... .. .

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Autop-Cee Blood_Out_Of_Stone Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,862	It sounds like, the owners aren't pleased with sharing revenues, because it has too much friction. How many teams are we going to lose? Rank Team Current Value1 ($mil) 1 Washington Redskins 1,264 2 Dallas Cowboys 1,063 3 New England Patriots 1,040 4 Philadelphia Eagles 952 5 Houston Texans 946 6 Denver Broncos 907 7 Cleveland Browns 892 8 Carolina Panthers 878 9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 877 10 Chicago Bears 871 11 Baltimore Ravens 864 12 Miami Dolphins 856 13 Green Bay Packers 849 14 Tennessee Titans 839 15 Seattle Seahawks 823 16 Pittsburgh Steelers 820 17 New York Giants 806 18 Detroit Lions 780 19 Kansas City Chiefs 762 20 St Louis Rams 757 21 New York Jets 739 22 New Orleans Saints 718 23 Cincinnati Bengals 716 24 Indianapolis Colts 715 25 Buffalo Bills 708 26 San Francisco 49ers 699 27 Jacksonville Jaguars 691 28 Atlanta Falcons 690 29 San Diego Chargers 678 30 Oakland Raiders 676 31 Arizona Cardinals 673 32 Minnesota Vikings 658 http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/30/Rank_1.html http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/30/Rank_2.html ^^^^^^Has more stats __________________ *"Fuck HD, nigga see how clear my view is"--Jay-Z* Last edited by Autop-Cee; 02-26-2006 at 08:02 PM.

02-27-2006, 12:15 AM	#11 (permalink)
Iceodu921 Resident Sports Genius Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: wit ur girl Posts: 6,284	nice just what the jets needed.

02-27-2006, 12:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
StylisticS National Champions Join Date: May 2002 Location: VA for a min. Posts: 11,267	When it comes down to it. There will be a salary cap. Now will it be set at 95 million, 94 or 93 million who knows. But there will be one it will just take sometime until everyone agrees to the number. That said, the Skins are so fucked its unbelievable. If they don't have an agreement by Friday. They will have to cut 15 people and still be 10 million over the cap. They are heading into Cap Hell and I WILL FUCKIN ENJOY THE SHIT OUT OF IT. If the salary cap is at 93 million or hell even 94 million. Danny boy can't restructure contracts like he has in years past. __________________ Never ask a man what state he is from. If he is from Texas, he will tell you. If he isn't, there is no point in embarassing him. Texas Longhorns 2005 National Champions MyDamnSpace

02-28-2006, 02:13 AM	#13 (permalink)
Old Soul Nipple Nibbler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: I'll stay below the surface, breaking bread with worms. It's depravity, not gravity, that anchors flesh to Earth......... Los Angeles, CA Posts: 27,037	^ Eh. Cutting Arrington takes 12 mil off the cap alone. The rest of the guys won't hurt too bad besides Walt Harris, if Rogers doesn't live-up to his hype. Player Cap number 2006 savings LB LaVar Arrington $12,045,980 $120,308 (charge) S Matt Bowen $2,400,000 $2,000,000 K John Hall $1,965,000 $1,035,000 CB Walt Harris $2,750,000 $2,000,000 DT Brandon Noble $2,630,000 $1,700,000 QB Patrick Ramsey $2,881,500 $1,688,000 OL Cory Raymer $1,118,333 $984,999 __________________ The venom is inside of me, the reason Greece is fallin to pieces The whole world's callin for Jesus And I'll let him take a strike or three Then crush his skull with a tree from the Garden of Eden I know he has a high threshold for pain So I'll tie him to a bull's tail and drag his flesh over Spain An equisite work of art I'll drop his head at the Louvre I'm impossible to stop once I get in a groove

02-28-2006, 02:14 AM	#14 (permalink)
Old Soul Nipple Nibbler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: I'll stay below the surface, breaking bread with worms. It's depravity, not gravity, that anchors flesh to Earth......... Los Angeles, CA Posts: 27,037	Good news, guys: A league source tells us that a deal between the NFL and the NFL Players Association on an extension to the Collective Bargaining Agreement is "done," and that the only thing keeping the thing from being signed and sealed is the absence of a firm arrangement among owners regarding an expansion of revenue sharing. The only remaining problem is that the new CBA replaces "Defined Gross Revenues" (i.e., the stuff that has been shared by the 32 teams for years) with "Total Football Revenues" (i.e., every penny earned). And if every penny earned, including stuff that isn't currently shared, goes into the formula for determining the salary cap, the problem is that the low-earning teams will see their individual cap numbers influenced by the much bigger money being raked in by other teams. Stay tuned. It's looking more and more like it's only a matter of time before the owners work this thing out. As they should. __________________ The venom is inside of me, the reason Greece is fallin to pieces The whole world's callin for Jesus And I'll let him take a strike or three Then crush his skull with a tree from the Garden of Eden I know he has a high threshold for pain So I'll tie him to a bull's tail and drag his flesh over Spain An equisite work of art I'll drop his head at the Louvre I'm impossible to stop once I get in a groove

03-04-2006, 06:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
Old Soul Nipple Nibbler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: I'll stay below the surface, breaking bread with worms. It's depravity, not gravity, that anchors flesh to Earth......... Los Angeles, CA Posts: 27,037	Geez, talks are dead. The owners can't come to an agreement. __________________ The venom is inside of me, the reason Greece is fallin to pieces The whole world's callin for Jesus And I'll let him take a strike or three Then crush his skull with a tree from the Garden of Eden I know he has a high threshold for pain So I'll tie him to a bull's tail and drag his flesh over Spain An equisite work of art I'll drop his head at the Louvre I'm impossible to stop once I get in a groove

03-04-2006, 09:16 PM	#16 (permalink)
toker STRAIN WHORE Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Im an 80s baby, Damn Right I Hustle Posts: 5,720	^^ blame the cheap owners and small market teams why they think they should get money they dont deserve is beyond me... we got some cheap fucks that dont spend shit yet want part of the revenue other teams make instead of taking risks and investing into their own product they ride the backs of the NFl and other owners __________________ All Posts From This IP Address Are Fictional And For Entertainment Purposes Only. The Poster Claims No Ownership To Any Pictures Or Stories Stated.

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