The future of college basketball/NBA age limit?

mattafact · 07-12-2008, 10:47 AM

I read an interesting piece (The great basketball exodus: a Slate thought experiment. - By Jacob Leibenluft - Slate Magazine) about the possible fallout that could happen if everything works out for the high school player who will be playing overseas instead of going to Arizona.

I personally think that it's not gonna catch on with future high school stars like some people are fearing because this guy is not going to dominate the competition like prep stars who play on the NCAA level. These Europeans are pros, remember. Yeah the extra money for the kid will be nice, but I think that the high schoolers would prefer to dominate weaker competition and get a taste of what it's like to see their faces on ESPN before they hit the pros.

What do you think of the age rule though? It's definitely an experiment that's failing and is embarrassing the college game. I think it's on its way out.

Your Idol · 07-12-2008, 01:24 PM

i like it the way it is now. it's his dumbass fault he didn't want to get some college under his belt. the only people who can really come into the league out of high school are people who are men among boys...ie lebron james and kevin garnett.

Klas~Sick · 07-12-2008, 01:40 PM

thats notta bad idea. you get expericence w/ pros and get paid then go to college. things can go wrong but daam if it works

The Franchise · 07-12-2008, 02:25 PM

i think the age restriction is fucking dumb anyway...

tennis, ice skating, hell they recruit baseball players out of 8th grade damn near...

Gorilla Nasty · 07-12-2008, 03:54 PM

I think the age limit is stupid too. But for different reason. WTF is one year? Wow. Make it 2-3 years.

mattafact · 07-12-2008, 05:54 PM

part of me wants to see a 2-3 year rule put in so that people like mike conley aren't riding the bench waiting until their potential kicks in. i'd love to know that when someone is drafted in the 1st round, he's not a fucking "project", he's ready to go from day one.

but at the same time, such a rule would be a HUGE restriction on these kids' rights to provide for their families. all it takes is one lebron james to show these players that it's possible to play at a high level in your rookie year. i'm pretty sure mike beasley woulda got 15 ppg or so if he hadn't of been forced to go to college. and then of course there's the whole injury thing.......i think when a star freshman gets hurt midseason and is forced to miss the tourney, that's when this whole debate is gonna get turned upside down.

Niggedawgg · 07-12-2008, 07:05 PM

I think it will be a 2 year rule soon and playing over seas is ok I guess but if it were me I'd rather get a full ride to a good school in case I tear my ACL or some wacky shit happens...

SeeSon · 07-12-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Niggedawgg

I think it will be a 2 year rule soon and playing over seas is ok I guess but if it were me I'd rather get a full ride to a good school in case I tear my ACL or some wacky shit happens...

If you tore your ACL why would you rather be enrolled in school instead of having a six figure contract with a European club? Jennings wanted to play at Arizona but didn't qualify because of his SAT score. This kind of has the makings of the Garnett thing where he wanted to go to college but didn't qualify and he opened up the flood gates for all of the prep stars to go straight to the league. I honestly hope Jennings kills it over seas and all of the top prep stars follow in his footsteps. If a man can die in Iraq at 18 why the hell should he not be allowed to be drafted by a stupid NBA GM? The people that compare it to the NFL are dumb. The NBA is not a collision sport like football where players need a few years in a strength and conditioning program to get their bodies right for the professional league. Look at Durant, he is scrawny and he just won rookie of the year. End the age limit or at least do what baseball does where you give them the option to come out but if they go to school they have to play for 3 years.

Gorilla Nasty · 07-12-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeSon

If a man can die in Iraq at 18 why the hell should he not be allowed to be drafted by a stupid NBA GM?

Because the NBA is a private corporation that can make it's own rules. It it want the minimum to be 35, it can do that.

But anyway, I wasn't overly impressed with Lebron's first year, or Durant. I just would like to see a closer gap between rookies and veterans.

SeeSon · 07-12-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorilla Nasty

Because the NBA is a private corporation that can make it's own rules. It it want the minimum to be 35, it can do that.

But anyway, I wasn't overly impressed with Lebron's first year, or Durant. I just would like to see a closer gap between rookies and veterans.

That is true, but at the same time we have anti-trust laws that prohibit monopolies and for all intents and purposes the NBA is a monopoly in the U.S., so that capitalistic non sense doesn't fly.

CaTchW0n · 07-13-2008, 11:37 AM

I think the one year out of high school rule affects college ball more than the NBA. Coaches are coming out saying now we arent recruiting anymore one and done players, I guess that means no more McDonald's All-americans or jordan brand all-stars which to me makes zero sense if you want to be in the big dance every year. Ultimately I wish the NBA would uplift its one-year rule and let the kids declare right after high school if they want or have to

thaRooster · 07-13-2008, 11:44 AM

either make it strict like football, or get rid of it all together. this foot half in shit is stupid. the 1 year rule makes absolutely no sense at all

double ML · 07-13-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mattafact

part of me wants to see a 2-3 year rule put in so that people like mike conley aren't riding the bench waiting until their potential kicks in. i'd love to know that when someone is drafted in the 1st round, he's not a fucking "project", he's ready to go from day one.

but at the same time, such a rule would be a HUGE restriction on these kids' rights to provide for their families.

i can't believe it, but i agree with GN: make it 2-3 years out of HS before they can go pro(like the NFL)

and the whole "provide for their families" thing- they can always get a real job

for every lebron, there's a 1000 kwame's

thaRooster · 07-13-2008, 01:07 PM

at the age of 18 you can do porn, join the military, get credit cards, and make a handful of other decisions that will shape the rest of your life. Therefor it should be the kids decision whether or not he goes pro. Whats the point of going to college and not getting your degree anways? If a team wants to sign a kid, than it should be the teams and the kids choice. The league should have no restrictions besides for HS diploma and 18 years old

double ML · 07-13-2008, 01:13 PM

david stern's job is to ensure the best available product

these kids need to go to college and learn the fundamentals of basketball

Your Idol · 07-13-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thaRooster

at the age of 18 you can do porn, join the military, get credit cards, and make a handful of other decisions that will shape the rest of your life. Therefor it should be the kids decision whether or not he goes pro. Whats the point of going to college and not getting your degree anways? If a team wants to sign a kid, than it should be the teams and the kids choice. The league should have no restrictions besides for HS diploma and 18 years old

the wording and punctuation in that paragraph is the reason why you should graduate high school and try to go to college. if you're borderline retarded: the league, any team, or college don't want to fuck with you...and that leaves you with one last option which is the and 1 basketball team or working your way up to the manager at dick's sporting goods in the team sports department.

mattafact · 07-14-2008, 05:46 AM

coaches who say theyre gonna stop recruiting one and done players are LYING. lute olson was just bitter. coaches will all think of carmelo at syracuse and will hope that their special freshman can lead them to the promise land, and they'll take the risk and swallow their pride.

as far as throwing education into this debate, it shouldn't be, because that is irrelevant. it's well known that the top players aren't bothering with going to real classes. we all remember matt leinart's ballroom dancing class. i'm sure schools help star athletes as well with phony independent studies classes and general preferential treatment...especially at football powerhouses. thinking that oj mayo is embracing a world class education at usc is an illusion.

a 2-3 year rule wouldn't be so that the kids can get a better education, it's so that they can refine their skills and develop leadership qualities that they just can't do as an 18 year old gone straight to the league.

i think the real solution here is to develop some kind of strategy mimicking baseball's, where yeah a few really really great players out of high school can go straight to the league, but the majority of players still go to college for a couple of years. how they'll come up with such a system though is beyond me..

07-12-2008, 10:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
mattafact Friedrich Nietzsche = OG Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: CSUN Posts: 417	The future of college basketball/NBA age limit? I read an interesting piece (The great basketball exodus: a Slate thought experiment. - By Jacob Leibenluft - Slate Magazine) about the possible fallout that could happen if everything works out for the high school player who will be playing overseas instead of going to Arizona. I personally think that it's not gonna catch on with future high school stars like some people are fearing because this guy is not going to dominate the competition like prep stars who play on the NCAA level. These Europeans are pros, remember. Yeah the extra money for the kid will be nice, but I think that the high schoolers would prefer to dominate weaker competition and get a taste of what it's like to see their faces on ESPN before they hit the pros. What do you think of the age rule though? It's definitely an experiment that's failing and is embarrassing the college game. I think it's on its way out. __________________ www.mattafact.com

07-12-2008, 01:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Your Idol Go Dawgs Join Date: May 2001 Location: ATL bitch I'm from GA Posts: 4,294	i like it the way it is now. it's his dumbass fault he didn't want to get some college under his belt. the only people who can really come into the league out of high school are people who are men among boys...ie lebron james and kevin garnett. __________________ "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - Hunter S. Thompson

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The Franchise Laffin at em... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: where they speaky no english Posts: 962	i think the age restriction is fucking dumb anyway... tennis, ice skating, hell they recruit baseball players out of 8th grade damn near... __________________ Got a Magnum... in a Magnum...

07-12-2008, 05:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
mattafact Friedrich Nietzsche = OG Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: CSUN Posts: 417	part of me wants to see a 2-3 year rule put in so that people like mike conley aren't riding the bench waiting until their potential kicks in. i'd love to know that when someone is drafted in the 1st round, he's not a fucking "project", he's ready to go from day one. but at the same time, such a rule would be a HUGE restriction on these kids' rights to provide for their families. all it takes is one lebron james to show these players that it's possible to play at a high level in your rookie year. i'm pretty sure mike beasley woulda got 15 ppg or so if he hadn't of been forced to go to college. and then of course there's the whole injury thing.......i think when a star freshman gets hurt midseason and is forced to miss the tourney, that's when this whole debate is gonna get turned upside down. __________________ www.mattafact.com

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Niggedawgg Errorist Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,678	I think it will be a 2 year rule soon and playing over seas is ok I guess but if it were me I'd rather get a full ride to a good school in case I tear my ACL or some wacky shit happens... __________________ diamonds big like dan dierdorf

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Klas~Sick Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: goleta, ca Posts: 3,093	thats notta bad idea. you get expericence w/ pros and get paid then go to college. things can go wrong but daam if it works

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Gorilla Nasty Nasty Gorilla Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,632	I think the age limit is stupid too. But for different reason. WTF is one year? Wow. Make it 2-3 years.

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CaTchW0n thats not wavy Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Las Vegas, Craptable Posts: 1,420	I think the one year out of high school rule affects college ball more than the NBA. Coaches are coming out saying now we arent recruiting anymore one and done players, I guess that means no more McDonald's All-americans or jordan brand all-stars which to me makes zero sense if you want to be in the big dance every year. Ultimately I wish the NBA would uplift its one-year rule and let the kids declare right after high school if they want or have to __________________ THEY KEEP THINKING IM AMATEUR, THATS WHY I GIVE EM THE FINGER LIKE IM GETTING A MANICURE.... Last edited by CaTchW0n; 07-13-2008 at 12:36 PM.

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thaRooster hahahahahhaha NO! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,678	either make it strict like football, or get rid of it all together. this foot half in shit is stupid. the 1 year rule makes absolutely no sense at all __________________ GET OFF MY DICK LAY OFF AND STAY OFF

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thaRooster hahahahahhaha NO! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,678	at the age of 18 you can do porn, join the military, get credit cards, and make a handful of other decisions that will shape the rest of your life. Therefor it should be the kids decision whether or not he goes pro. Whats the point of going to college and not getting your degree anways? If a team wants to sign a kid, than it should be the teams and the kids choice. The league should have no restrictions besides for HS diploma and 18 years old __________________ GET OFF MY DICK LAY OFF AND STAY OFF

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07-14-2008, 05:46 AM	#17 (permalink)
mattafact Friedrich Nietzsche = OG Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: CSUN Posts: 417	coaches who say theyre gonna stop recruiting one and done players are LYING. lute olson was just bitter. coaches will all think of carmelo at syracuse and will hope that their special freshman can lead them to the promise land, and they'll take the risk and swallow their pride. as far as throwing education into this debate, it shouldn't be, because that is irrelevant. it's well known that the top players aren't bothering with going to real classes. we all remember matt leinart's ballroom dancing class. i'm sure schools help star athletes as well with phony independent studies classes and general preferential treatment...especially at football powerhouses. thinking that oj mayo is embracing a world class education at usc is an illusion. a 2-3 year rule wouldn't be so that the kids can get a better education, it's so that they can refine their skills and develop leadership qualities that they just can't do as an 18 year old gone straight to the league. i think the real solution here is to develop some kind of strategy mimicking baseball's, where yeah a few really really great players out of high school can go straight to the league, but the majority of players still go to college for a couple of years. how they'll come up with such a system though is beyond me.. __________________ www.mattafact.com