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Old 08-11-2007, 01:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arod >> Bonds
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i agree

but if arod dont leave the yankees this yr..i'll lose all respect...all yankee media and fans do is boo him when he makes mistakes...its kinda fucked up... A-rod should be out and leave to LA ...cuz yankee fans treat him like shit and he's the best baseball player in MLB
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i agree

but if arod dont leave the yankees this yr..i'll lose all respect...all yankee media and fans do is boo him when he makes mistakes...its kinda fucked up... A-rod should be out and leave to LA ...cuz yankee fans treat him like shit and he's the best baseball player in MLB

I agree. The yankees fans are bad sometimes. Like the one game where the Yanks hit 8 homeruns in a game. The next day headlines read something like "Yanks 8 HRs; A-rod none"

They nit pick the guy non-stop.
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A-Rod won't get to Bonds record.
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A-Rod won't get to Bonds record for about 7 more years
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i agree

but if arod dont leave the yankees this yr..i'll lose all respect...all yankee media and fans do is boo him when he makes mistakes...its kinda fucked up... A-rod should be out and leave to LA ...cuz yankee fans treat him like shit and he's the best baseball player in MLB
not really...

he earned his spot as a pinstripe, due to his 500 hr at the stadium...cuz the following day on the next game... they gave him a standing obation...


and about boo'ing him... thats new yorkers for you... you know that stadium boos whoever isnt doing good..
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A-rod is great, and probably the best pure talent I've seen in my short life ( him and Griffey) but the way you guys are dismissing bonds is crazy.

Bonds is an 8 time gold-glover in the outfield
the first to ever go for 40/40
has a career batting average around .300
More walks than anyone in the history of baseball
top 10 in total bases all time...
5 time MVP ( I could be wrong on the number, but it's multiple times)


Yes, the man has probably taken steroids, but even before then he was possibly the greatest combination of power and speed that the game had ever seen.

I'm not saying that A-rod isn't going to be in the same class by the end of his career, but you guys are making this sound like it shouldn't even be a debate.

You could make an argument for Bonds being the greatest player of all time, depending on how heavily you factor in steroid use.

Lets assume he did not start using steroids until about 2001 or 2002.... look at the numbers he put up before then and you still have a player who, when we talk about being an all around player, is A-rod's equal at the very least.

C'mon folks.

I am saying all of this, and A-rod is the player I root for more than any player in the league ( him and Griffey are my two favourites)... I'm just adding some perspective to the discussion.

You guys obviously have not been paying enough attention.
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I agree. The yankees fans are bad sometimes. Like the one game where the Yanks hit 8 homeruns in a game. The next day headlines read something like "Yanks 8 HRs; A-rod none"

They nit pick the guy non-stop.
what you expect, when you're the most paying man in sports.
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hey teen... the only thing that bothers me from BONDS, is his homeruns. i know homeboy(bonds) tried enhance man drugs, like that cream he once said that he didnt know it was that...
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How many steals does ARod have? Just curious because 500/500 is some fucking incredible stuff.

edit - I checked...253

TP has convinced me...A-Rod isn't and never has been anywhere near the dominating figure Bonds has been.
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Two things:

1. Bonds has played in a world series

2. Bonds has actually had a clutch hit in October.

That is all
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Teen Prodigy, you think barry was a-rods equal? Check yoself before u reck yoself:

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A-rod in his 14 seasons

hits - 2192
home runs - 501
batting avg - .305
rbi - 1457
doubles - 390
on base % - .387
slugging % - .576
ops+ - 147
stolen bases - 254
games - 1859

bonds in his 1st 14 seasons

hits - 2010
home runs - 445
batting avg - .287
rbi - 1299
doubles - 423
on base % - .407
slugging % - .516
ops+ - 162
stolen bases - 460
games - 2000

keep in mind barry's stats are for a full 14 seasons, a-rods include his fist 13 years plus so far this season, he has another 40 games left

so lets break it down

hits = A-rod, by 182
home runs = A-rod, by 56
batting avg = A-rod, by .018
rbi = A-rod, by 158
doubles = Barry, by 33
on base % = Barry, by .020
slugging % = A-rod, by .060
ops+ = Barry, by 15
stolen bases = Barry, by 206
games = Barry, by 141

so let's see barry bonds had played 141 more games then a-rod at this point in his career, basically a full season, but a-rod is still hitting more home runs, getting more hits, and knocking more runs in. the only thing barry is leading him in is doubles and stolen bases. barry has a higher ops+ and on base %, but a-rod has a higher batting avg and a higher slugging %. also, a-rod could easily close the gap of the doubles before this season is done.

a-rod is going to end up with more home runs, hits, rbi then barry. only thing barry will have on him is stolen bases and possibly doubles. his on base percentage and ops+ might be higher at the end of a-rod's career, but a-rod will have him in slugging % and batting avg.

this is baseball, the numbers speak the truth.
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Teen Prodigy, you think barry was a-rods equal? Check yoself before u reck yoself:

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A-rod in his 14 seasons

hits - 2192
home runs - 501
batting avg - .305
rbi - 1457
doubles - 390
on base % - .387
slugging % - .576
ops+ - 147
stolen bases - 254
games - 1859

bonds in his 1st 14 seasons

hits - 2010
home runs - 445
batting avg - .287
rbi - 1299
doubles - 423
on base % - .407
slugging % - .516
ops+ - 162
stolen bases - 460
games - 2000

keep in mind barry's stats are for a full 14 seasons, a-rods include his fist 13 years plus so far this season, he has another 40 games left

so lets break it down

hits = A-rod, by 182
home runs = A-rod, by 56
batting avg = A-rod, by .018
rbi = A-rod, by 158
doubles = Barry, by 33
on base % = Barry, by .020
slugging % = A-rod, by .060
ops+ = Barry, by 15
stolen bases = Barry, by 206
games = Barry, by 141

so let's see barry bonds had played 141 more games then a-rod at this point in his career, basically a full season, but a-rod is still hitting more home runs, getting more hits, and knocking more runs in. the only thing barry is leading him in is doubles and stolen bases. barry has a higher ops+ and on base %, but a-rod has a higher batting avg and a higher slugging %. also, a-rod could easily close the gap of the doubles before this season is done.

a-rod is going to end up with more home runs, hits, rbi then barry. only thing barry will have on him is stolen bases and possibly doubles. his on base percentage and ops+ might be higher at the end of a-rod's career, but a-rod will have him in slugging % and batting avg.

this is baseball, the numbers speak the truth.
Good argument.

But if you look at what I said, my only argument was that this comparison isn't nearly as cut and dry as you all made it seem. Some of you made it seem like it was a foregone conclusion

To quote myself: "I'm not saying that A-rod isn't going to be in the same class by the end of his career, but you guys are making this sound like it shouldn't even be a debate"

Your numbers only go to prove that this comparison is pretty close. A-rod has the edge in power numbers, which is a given because I do not believe Barry had hit 50 home-runs at any point during the 80's or 90s.


My argument was that as an all- around player, Barry was A-rod's equal

"look at the numbers he put up before then and you still have a player who, when we talk about being an all around player, is A-rod's equal at the very least"

In the statistical comparison you put up, A-rod was the leader in 5 categories, and Bonds was the leader in 6 categories. The only argument that you could make ( and I think it might be a reasonable one) is that the categories in which A-rod bested Bonds are more important categories, but even that point could be easily contested, probably by someone smarter than me. The numbers suggest that Bonds and A-rod are on par with one another. In your first post, which is the main one I was addressing in my post, you gave A-rod the advantage in speed; Bonds undoubtedly was the faster of the two players, the stolen base numbers for each player are evidence of that fact. You gave A-rod the advantage in fielding, which is a reasonable claim to make, but you could also make the argument that Bonds was the better fielder in his prime, because he had speed, and an arm.. he had good range in the OF. A-rod was Bonds' equal as a SS, but not as a 3B...so I can't concede that one to you either.

Money and fan support aren't real categories in this comparison.

Good argument, but this is a lot closer than some of you made it seem, which is why I had to defend Barry.
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