CONTENDERSHIP: 3. Mr. Mister 9-3 vs. 4. Sign7 2-0

Baron Mynd · 02-28-2007, 12:17 PM

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MrMister · 02-28-2007, 01:07 PM

Im in

Insinerhate · 02-28-2007, 11:46 PM

R.I.P. Michael Key

I always looked up to you even when times were rough ...
You never had to explain why you couldn't buy me stuff ...
You were my hero, my savior, I believed in your views ...
Every crazy story you told I perceived it was true ...
Remember that day, dad?, our walk in the woods ...
We talked and every word you said I understood ...
You told me life would end, nothing will last ...
And sometimes it's very damaging to be stuck in the past ...
But now you're gone, and missed, in fact ...
Oft I sit alone, eyes closed, drifting back ...
Thinking, crying, I'm too scared to face it all ...
I wanna go back to the pool halls where you taught me to play 8 ball ...
I want you to buy me a new bike with last minute cash ...
And make me try with just 2 wheels then laugh when I crash ...
Then take me out for ice cream even tho money is strained ...
But you pretend it doesn't matter and our love heals the pain ...
I can't, and you can't, it's hard and it hurts ...
I died when I saw your upturned car in the dirt ...
Why didn't you just get professional repairs? ...
Why did you leave the whole family with expressions of despair? ...
You were everything to us, what real love is about ...
You gleamed of hope like rays of sun through the clouds ...
Mom adored you dad, she truly did, I promise ...
Don't you think you're gambling was a bit dishonest? ...
So I'll become a man myself dad, it has to be done ...
But will there be enough left for me to be a dad to MY son? ...
You died when I was young yet you taught me alot ...
Taught me respect, how not to be some cock that I'm not ...
You told me how fulfilling being a parent is ...
But I don't want kids without grandpa here to share it with ...
You would hate the world now, all this historical fame ...
People only care about themselves and who sees them, a horrible shame ...
But you taught me better dad, we're both fairly the same ...
Side by side it'd be easy to tell we share the same name ...
The world is bland now it's only mother and me ...
The flowers on your grave is the only color I see ...
That color represents your life, waiting for me ...
And it'll all be beautiful and amazing again on the day that we meet ...

MrMister · 03-03-2007, 09:19 PM

Diamond whispers

A town called perfect
As scenery flashes past me the radio hums a melody
soothing what ever memory I will take home from my daily activity
a 9 to 5 enables this X5 a beautifull house and a gorgeus wife
minimum strife what some would call the perfect life
So as the wheels rotate I make my way to that steak
which does await my arrival and I wont be late
I park my car and the dog welcomes me
I pat his head and ask "how you doing buddy"
As I enter my domicile I sniff and smile
gravy, onions all done in my wifes style
So as my son comes down to greet his father
we hug and I ask where is of my daughter
I tell him to tell her to go get ready
cause diner will be served and we eat as family
at the table everyones day is brought up
each day similar, perfect yes that is us

Pandemonium
A crash in the market our stock did plummet destroyed our profit
a crashing plane and we are all in the cockpit
foreseeing our doom but unable to change it
caught in gloom in the panic room we sit
management decisions fell down like rain
all those lower ranked were to feel the pain
forced redundancy as they lean on the brink
so all including me were abandoned to sink
I lost my job my only source of income
now that chapter in my life is officially done
I wanna cry but stay strong for my spouse and spawn
now comes the test of love since our money is gone

Legacy of Chaos
fights pursue our once so happy home
four souls in one house yet I feel alone
my wife throws glances which reduce me to dirt
I feel like a stone thrown into a gurt
depriving joy his right to flow to happiness
at night I weep to see if I can fill my souls emptiness
My children now see me as a bum
cause the funds coming in are low to none
unable to find a job which would hire one so old
countless interviews but a second one I cant mold
so after 1 year my wife just packed up and left me
taking the kids leaving my happy home empty
unable to pay the mortgage I lost the house too
No place to reside so there is one thing left to do

Dark Dreams
the wind passes through the alley buzzing with screams
as the chill it brings along brings forth old dreams
money in abundance and drowning in love
a warm bed and soaring free like a white dove
instead of leaning against a dumpster in a dark alley
accompanied by another but he is just crazy
for six months straight we shared this back street
and our pillows are also the place from which we eat
but each day at midnight his tongue would start to slither
speaking of dark and light and how hope would come hither

Diamond Whispers
your every dream can become reality
all that's neccesary is you trust in me
give me your soul and Ill give you the chance
to once again dance in the fragrance of romance
no more newspapers but actual blankets
live a life devoided of any pits

Purpose
At first his promises were empty and easy to leave behind
but after six months it does tempt me and bellows in my mind
I accept his offer thinking what have I to lose
and surely enough he has removed all my dues
Im back in my normal state my life again is a clean slate
my joy I cant sedate ... as I finally realize my last objective
...
what the fuck is going on Im back in the alley
leaning against the dumpster he smiles at me
and says
your dream will constantly be repeated
cause a dream isnt a dream once you achieve it

Harvest · 03-03-2007, 11:06 PM

1-100

sign7:

Structure: 62
Story Progression: 60
Rhythm: 72
Originality: 45
Vocabulary: 40
Multi Rhymes: 53

Total: 332/600

Fav lines:

The world is bland now it's only mother and me ...
The flowers on your grave is the only color I see ...
That color represents your life, waiting for me ...

MrMister:

Structure: 51
Story Progression: 76
Rhythm: 34
Originality: 69
Vocabulary: 32
Multi Rhymes: 35

Total: 297/600

Fav lines:

for six months straight we shared this back street
and our pillows are also the place from which we eat

give me your soul and Ill give you the chance
to once again dance in the fragrance of romance

your dream will constantly be repeated
cause a dream isnt a dream once you achieve it

vote: sign7

nice read guys

DiC GeTs GuLLy · 03-05-2007, 01:51 AM

Sign, your narration was like one a eulogy or a good bye letter that you leave on dad's grave. An emotional outlet kind of voice that was put together cool. Dad, the word was used quite often, probably on purpose, but that got irksome to read after the 8 or 9th time. Flow was cool and it was all on a even level as far as the writing verses elements go I think....

Urizen, hhmmm... I can see you're rhyme structure has improved some with some inners, think you need to work on using some multies and you'll be puttin it down nicely. The content was progressive with a lot of different things happening and you actually linked them together ok too, but there was little details in some sections, which kinda made the transitions a bit rough.

Vote Sign

Vigil · 03-05-2007, 06:43 PM

sign7 - that was a pretty heartfelt piece. I liked the emotion, that was the most important element of the verse. And your rhymes and flow were good too, the verse progressed pretty well, there weren't any rough patches. Just a solid verse with strong emotion.

You would hate the world now, all this historical fame ...
People only care about themselves and who sees them, a horrible shame ...
But you taught me better dad, we're both fairly the same ...
Side by side it'd be easy to tell we share the same name ...
^ my favorite part.

Urizen - I liked the idea you were going for, but I think you just wrote too much and the verse in general lacked clarity. The content was strong tho, I liked that part alot. The flow and rhymes need work, they need to be more polished and some lines needed to be cut down I think. I think if you edited the verse in some way and made the flow more smoothly it would've been a real strong verse. Right now, its decent.

your every dream can become reality
all that's neccesary is you trust in me
give me your soul and Ill give you the chance
to once again dance in the fragrance of romance
no more newspapers but actual blankets
live a life devoided of any pits
^i liked that.

This was a somewhat close match. Urizen's topic was pretty grand, i digged the storytelling skills but I think the flow and rhymes were lacking, and the verse needed to slimmed down. Sign's verse was pretty strong, his emotion was deep, and his flow and rhymes backed that up. In the end, I enjoyed Sign's verse more.

vote - Sign

SacriFICE · 03-06-2007, 12:03 AM

Vote: Sign...

Sign: Very emotional piece here. I would have to say that I can relate, not specifically, as in my situation didn't result exactly as yours did, but I can just relate on the feelings expressed in this piece. The flow was difficult to follow in some lines, in others it was butter, the rhyming wasn't anything spectacular, but still good, and definitely did the trick. You really did well with description in this piece and I think that really carried it through. The cliche' element didn't bother me one bit because cliche's exist because human emotion is something that all humans can relate to each other with, and I think you captured that nicely in this piece.

Mr. Mister: Improvement is the best word I can use to describe this piece. You are getting a bit better, however, your problem exists as it has always existed, your rhyming and writing ability don't reinforce your ideas and your concepts. You have the mind of a prose writer I think, not really a rhymer. Your rhyming just isn't good, and because you're using that format, I as a reader look at rhyming as an important piece of the work. However, keep working on it because I can tell you have a passion for writing, it shows in a lot of your pieces. Spice it up a bit though man, use your mind in more ways than one, you might surprise yourself a bit.. try to expand your style, don't be afraid to attempt something new.

Vote: Sign. All around the better written piece.

Got Life? · 03-06-2007, 12:59 AM

Sign - this piece showed a lot of emotion and power and it caught me off guard because most of the verses I read this week have entirely put me to sleep...I think you executed the topic very well.

Urizen - you're rhyming is coming along a bit...not to the point where it's significant but it's slowly getting there...your concepts are cool, but you don't deliver them to the audience properly.

vote = Sign

Shrug · 03-06-2007, 01:02 AM

Sign7 -- this was very.....hard to read...in an emotional sense, because even though my dad is alive it makes me think of what I will have to go through one day, it hit a personal note I guess....rhymes were nice, the writers voice was really fitting, not something I wanna bite into to much for fear of it being based on your life, so I'm just gonna say that it was emotionaly sound

Mrmr -- I think your idea was cool but u didn't have enough lines to execute it to its maximum potential, it reminded me of aesop rocks 'Lucy' when I got to the end. This rhymes threw me off in a lot of the places and your writers voice kept jumping around to match each topic which made the transitioning a little hard to digest. I think what REALLY hindered your verse was that the begginning was so cliche and it wasn't all that interesting until he was a bum, because that's when the crazy shit starts happening, keep working on it though

Vote -- sign7

02-28-2007, 12:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
Baron Mynd Swaggersaurus Rex Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Showdown City! Posts: 9,461	CONTENDERSHIP: 3. Mr. Mister 9-3 vs. 4. Sign7 2-0 RSTL RULES AND REGULATIONS RULES AND REGULATIONS - THERE'S SOME NEW SHIT SO CLICK AND READ The Standard League Rules will still be Enforced Due Dates VERSES DUE: Sunday12:00am PST/3:00am EST (this means Sunday, early early, start of the morning) Verses posted after the deadline will not count! VOTES DUE Tuesday: 12:00am EST PACIFIC 3:00am (also meaning early early morning Tuesday for people in the US) Votes posted after the deadline will not count! [list][]Check-in (Posting in your match to show that you are aware the match exists) is encouraged but not required. []Verses must incorporate at least one of the provided topics and must be at least 16 lines and must not exceed 64 lines. []Anyone who does not post at least 4 rap lines, incorporating at least one of the provided topics, is considered a no-show. []During check-in, you can ask your opponent to agree to a line limit (Minimum 16) and if your opponent agrees, Moderators will hold both participants to that limit. []Posting between 4-15 lines is considered a “show” but will not result in a match. If you post 4-15 lines, and your opponent posts between 16-64, you will lose the match but you will remain in the league. If you post 4-15 lines, and your opponent does not* show, you will “Win by no-show”.[/list] Voting:[list][]If you do not show you can’t vote in any matches. . []No bias votes! If you have a personal investment in wanting someone to lose, whether because that member voted against you once, or you just don’t like that person, whatever the reason, do not vote in the match. If have a personal investment in wanting someone to win, whether because they’re crew member, or because you want to face that person in the next week’s brackets, whatever the reason, do not vote in the match. []”Bias” must be confirmed by a Moderator. []If there is a match which you will not be able to vote on, due to “Bias” of any type, state so within your match prior to Verses Due Deadline. If this reduces the number of matches available for you to vote on to the point where you are unable to vote on at least 4 matches, the point scale will be adjusted according to how many matches you do vote on. []3-ways are inevitable. In order to provide a tie-breaker in a 3-way, you are now required to indicate in what order the contestants finished (1st, 2nd, 3rd). anyone who does not show or vote is suspended one week and must sign-in again to be inserted the following week.[/list] Topics Submissions And Ranks Are HERE!: http://board.rapmusic.com/showthread.php?t=1035644 __________________ The Corporation!* ü Taking Over The World!

02-28-2007, 01:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
MrMister Urizen Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: that place where ya mind thinks it can do stuff Posts: 6,251	Im in __________________ being nice is overrated

02-28-2007, 11:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Insinerhate ... above blaze ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 19	R.I.P. Michael Key I always looked up to you even when times were rough ... You never had to explain why you couldn't buy me stuff ... You were my hero, my savior, I believed in your views ... Every crazy story you told I perceived it was true ... Remember that day, dad?, our walk in the woods ... We talked and every word you said I understood ... You told me life would end, nothing will last ... And sometimes it's very damaging to be stuck in the past ... But now you're gone, and missed, in fact ... Oft I sit alone, eyes closed, drifting back ... Thinking, crying, I'm too scared to face it all ... I wanna go back to the pool halls where you taught me to play 8 ball ... I want you to buy me a new bike with last minute cash ... And make me try with just 2 wheels then laugh when I crash ... Then take me out for ice cream even tho money is strained ... But you pretend it doesn't matter and our love heals the pain ... I can't, and you can't, it's hard and it hurts ... I died when I saw your upturned car in the dirt ... Why didn't you just get professional repairs? ... Why did you leave the whole family with expressions of despair? ... You were everything to us, what real love is about ... You gleamed of hope like rays of sun through the clouds ... Mom adored you dad, she truly did, I promise ... Don't you think you're gambling was a bit dishonest? ... So I'll become a man myself dad, it has to be done ... But will there be enough left for me to be a dad to MY son? ... You died when I was young yet you taught me alot ... Taught me respect, how not to be some cock that I'm not ... You told me how fulfilling being a parent is ... But I don't want kids without grandpa here to share it with ... You would hate the world now, all this historical fame ... People only care about themselves and who sees them, a horrible shame ... But you taught me better dad, we're both fairly the same ... Side by side it'd be easy to tell we share the same name ... The world is bland now it's only mother and me ... The flowers on your grave is the only color I see ... That color represents your life, waiting for me ... And it'll all be beautiful and amazing again on the day that we meet ... __________________ If you can't celebrate victory with respect, are you truely the victor?

03-03-2007, 09:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
MrMister Urizen Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: that place where ya mind thinks it can do stuff Posts: 6,251	Diamond whispers A town called perfect As scenery flashes past me the radio hums a melody soothing what ever memory I will take home from my daily activity a 9 to 5 enables this X5 a beautifull house and a gorgeus wife minimum strife what some would call the perfect life So as the wheels rotate I make my way to that steak which does await my arrival and I wont be late I park my car and the dog welcomes me I pat his head and ask "how you doing buddy" As I enter my domicile I sniff and smile gravy, onions all done in my wifes style So as my son comes down to greet his father we hug and I ask where is of my daughter I tell him to tell her to go get ready cause diner will be served and we eat as family at the table everyones day is brought up each day similar, perfect yes that is us Pandemonium A crash in the market our stock did plummet destroyed our profit a crashing plane and we are all in the cockpit foreseeing our doom but unable to change it caught in gloom in the panic room we sit management decisions fell down like rain all those lower ranked were to feel the pain forced redundancy as they lean on the brink so all including me were abandoned to sink I lost my job my only source of income now that chapter in my life is officially done I wanna cry but stay strong for my spouse and spawn now comes the test of love since our money is gone Legacy of Chaos fights pursue our once so happy home four souls in one house yet I feel alone my wife throws glances which reduce me to dirt I feel like a stone thrown into a gurt depriving joy his right to flow to happiness at night I weep to see if I can fill my souls emptiness My children now see me as a bum cause the funds coming in are low to none unable to find a job which would hire one so old countless interviews but a second one I cant mold so after 1 year my wife just packed up and left me taking the kids leaving my happy home empty unable to pay the mortgage I lost the house too No place to reside so there is one thing left to do Dark Dreams the wind passes through the alley buzzing with screams as the chill it brings along brings forth old dreams money in abundance and drowning in love a warm bed and soaring free like a white dove instead of leaning against a dumpster in a dark alley accompanied by another but he is just crazy for six months straight we shared this back street and our pillows are also the place from which we eat but each day at midnight his tongue would start to slither speaking of dark and light and how hope would come hither Diamond Whispers your every dream can become reality all that's neccesary is you trust in me give me your soul and Ill give you the chance to once again dance in the fragrance of romance no more newspapers but actual blankets live a life devoided of any pits Purpose At first his promises were empty and easy to leave behind but after six months it does tempt me and bellows in my mind I accept his offer thinking what have I to lose and surely enough he has removed all my dues Im back in my normal state my life again is a clean slate my joy I cant sedate ... as I finally realize my last objective ... what the fuck is going on Im back in the alley leaning against the dumpster he smiles at me and says your dream will constantly be repeated cause a dream isnt a dream once you achieve it __________________ being nice is overrated

03-05-2007, 01:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
DiC GeTs GuLLy Hello Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,889	Sign, your narration was like one a eulogy or a good bye letter that you leave on dad's grave. An emotional outlet kind of voice that was put together cool. Dad, the word was used quite often, probably on purpose, but that got irksome to read after the 8 or 9th time. Flow was cool and it was all on a even level as far as the writing verses elements go I think.... Urizen, hhmmm... I can see you're rhyme structure has improved some with some inners, think you need to work on using some multies and you'll be puttin it down nicely. The content was progressive with a lot of different things happening and you actually linked them together ok too, but there was little details in some sections, which kinda made the transitions a bit rough. Vote Sign __________________ 4x PTL Champion 9x RSTL Champion..75~19 4X PTL TOURNAMENT CHAMP 3X RSTL TOURNAMENT CHAMP - THE TOURNAMENT KING OF THIS BITCH - ~{S.M.O.}~

03-03-2007, 11:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
Harvest medication Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: On an art canvas of a schizophrenic Posts: 35	1-100 sign7: Structure: 62 Story Progression: 60 Rhythm: 72 Originality: 45 Vocabulary: 40 Multi Rhymes: 53 Total: 332/600 Fav lines: The world is bland now it's only mother and me ... The flowers on your grave is the only color I see ... That color represents your life, waiting for me ... MrMister: Structure: 51 Story Progression: 76 Rhythm: 34 Originality: 69 Vocabulary: 32 Multi Rhymes: 35 Total: 297/600 Fav lines: for six months straight we shared this back street and our pillows are also the place from which we eat give me your soul and Ill give you the chance to once again dance in the fragrance of romance your dream will constantly be repeated cause a dream isnt a dream once you achieve it vote: sign7 nice read guys

03-05-2007, 06:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Vigil Im infinite consciousness Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: under the radar Posts: 885	sign7 - that was a pretty heartfelt piece. I liked the emotion, that was the most important element of the verse. And your rhymes and flow were good too, the verse progressed pretty well, there weren't any rough patches. Just a solid verse with strong emotion. You would hate the world now, all this historical fame ... People only care about themselves and who sees them, a horrible shame ... But you taught me better dad, we're both fairly the same ... Side by side it'd be easy to tell we share the same name ... ^ my favorite part. Urizen - I liked the idea you were going for, but I think you just wrote too much and the verse in general lacked clarity. The content was strong tho, I liked that part alot. The flow and rhymes need work, they need to be more polished and some lines needed to be cut down I think. I think if you edited the verse in some way and made the flow more smoothly it would've been a real strong verse. Right now, its decent. your every dream can become reality all that's neccesary is you trust in me give me your soul and Ill give you the chance to once again dance in the fragrance of romance no more newspapers but actual blankets live a life devoided of any pits ^i liked that. This was a somewhat close match. Urizen's topic was pretty grand, i digged the storytelling skills but I think the flow and rhymes were lacking, and the verse needed to slimmed down. Sign's verse was pretty strong, his emotion was deep, and his flow and rhymes backed that up. In the end, I enjoyed Sign's verse more. vote - Sign __________________ RON PAUL R[ƎVO˩]UTION

03-06-2007, 12:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
SacriFICE TRUspeak Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Frederick, Maryland Posts: 5,891	Vote: Sign... Sign: Very emotional piece here. I would have to say that I can relate, not specifically, as in my situation didn't result exactly as yours did, but I can just relate on the feelings expressed in this piece. The flow was difficult to follow in some lines, in others it was butter, the rhyming wasn't anything spectacular, but still good, and definitely did the trick. You really did well with description in this piece and I think that really carried it through. The cliche' element didn't bother me one bit because cliche's exist because human emotion is something that all humans can relate to each other with, and I think you captured that nicely in this piece. Mr. Mister: Improvement is the best word I can use to describe this piece. You are getting a bit better, however, your problem exists as it has always existed, your rhyming and writing ability don't reinforce your ideas and your concepts. You have the mind of a prose writer I think, not really a rhymer. Your rhyming just isn't good, and because you're using that format, I as a reader look at rhyming as an important piece of the work. However, keep working on it because I can tell you have a passion for writing, it shows in a lot of your pieces. Spice it up a bit though man, use your mind in more ways than one, you might surprise yourself a bit.. try to expand your style, don't be afraid to attempt something new. Vote: Sign. All around the better written piece. __________________ SacriFICE @ Myspace TRUspeak.org "Be your own Sensei." "To be Great, is to be Misunderstood." - Emerson [center][size="1"][font="Arial"]

03-06-2007, 01:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
Shrug Street Poet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The most comfortable spot on the floor of the KEG PARTY Posts: 158	Sign7 -- this was very.....hard to read...in an emotional sense, because even though my dad is alive it makes me think of what I will have to go through one day, it hit a personal note I guess....rhymes were nice, the writers voice was really fitting, not something I wanna bite into to much for fear of it being based on your life, so I'm just gonna say that it was emotionaly sound Mrmr -- I think your idea was cool but u didn't have enough lines to execute it to its maximum potential, it reminded me of aesop rocks 'Lucy' when I got to the end. This rhymes threw me off in a lot of the places and your writers voice kept jumping around to match each topic which made the transitioning a little hard to digest. I think what REALLY hindered your verse was that the begginning was so cliche and it wasn't all that interesting until he was a bum, because that's when the crazy shit starts happening, keep working on it though Vote -- sign7 __________________ As I walk life's path I realise there are no lefts or rights, no rights nor wrongs. Only straights. However the straights are my rights and wrongs. My lefts and rights.

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