Declining Box Office figures

Riz · 10-12-2005, 06:53 PM

What do you blame this on?

I don't blame pirating and I don't blame unintelligent, unoriginal films for people turning away. There have been a number of films this year that have bucked the trend. Batman Begins, A History Of Violence, Serenity, Crash, etc. have all been intelligent films (relative to their genres) and none of them did particuarly well at the BO.

I believe there are three main reasons.

1) 2003/4 were especially good years. You had films like Spider-Man 2, Shrek 2, the end of the LOTR and Matrix franchises. This year the only film that could even come close to that is Star Wars. I'd like to see the figures for this year compared to, say, 2000.

2) Noisy kids at the cinema. Which is connected to...

3) DVDs/Home Cinema. I've got no doubt that is the biggest contributer. I love going to the cinema, but I've decided unless it's a film I'm really hyped for, I'll just by the DVD when it comes out. It just makes sense. Why spend money going to a place surrouned by mindless morons when you can have the film forever for more or less the same price? Obviously there's the social reason, and the fact that you get to see it on a huge screen, but there are too many movies coming out anyway.

thaRooster · 10-12-2005, 07:18 PM

i doubt its declined THAT drastically in the last year or so

itll be back up in a year or 2 and back down again

youre just reading too much into this

Riz · 10-12-2005, 08:00 PM

No, I'm not.

I said myself that I doubt the sales have gone down that much and it probably just looks worse because the last couple of years have been exceptionally good.

However, all the Hollywood studios keep saying that sales are drastically down. I'm saying I believe DVDs are the reason there might be any change. How is that looking too much into it.

Old Soul · 10-12-2005, 08:49 PM

DVD's.

Back in the day you literally had to wait close to a year after the theatrical release; now it's like 2 months lol.

Nam Dekan · 10-12-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by White Recluse

DVD's.

Back in the day you literally had to wait close to a year after the theatrical release; now it's like 2 months lol.

well 2 months for Ben Affleck movies

usually its like 4-5 months unless its a special case, like some children/family movies they try to hold off for a holiday release like polar express

but yeah the wait is a lot shorter...i seen a lot of movies in the theatre i wouldnt have seen if they would have hit video sooner

The Jeus · 10-12-2005, 10:24 PM

revenues aren't really down as much as has been said for the major studios....that's made up. last year indie movies bolstered the overall box office by about $500 mil [napoleon dynamite, passion, fahrenehit, garden state]

batman begins did over 200 mil at the box office with a lesser-known actor in the lead, so i don't know what you mean by it didn't perform very well. crash did $40-50 mil which was a solid box for it releasing against star wars and it's relatively low budget

aaaaaaand the box office is way up for the last couple weeks compared to last year....basically, this has been blown out of proportion, don't believe the hype

Krighst · 10-12-2005, 10:44 PM

The movies now are just plain shitty. Make better films.

Even then, I'd rather watch the dvd on my own projector and surround system...

FukkedUPKidR · 10-13-2005, 12:58 AM

i don't know what it is. i've gone up to 3 times a week to the theatres, but usually it's once every couple of weeks.

Old Soul · 10-13-2005, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Abstract Vizionz

well 2 months for Ben Affleck movies

usually its like 4-5 months unless its a special case, like some children/family movies they try to hold off for a holiday release like polar express

but yeah the wait is a lot shorter...i seen a lot of movies in the theatre i wouldnt have seen if they would have hit video sooner

Word. One that stuck out to me was 'Ray'... I lagged on seeing it int he theater and before I knew it, it was coming out on dvd... but didn't they rush it cuz he died or some shit...?

Nam Dekan · 10-13-2005, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by White Recluse

Word. One that stuck out to me was 'Ray'... I lagged on seeing it int he theater and before I knew it, it was coming out on dvd... but didn't they rush it cuz he died or some shit...?

i thought they rushed it because of the Oscars

Ixtlan · 10-13-2005, 12:40 PM

Traffic is declining. Box office sales have still been high, but that's a result of moderate increases in ticket prices.

Bootlegging and shorter turn times from the Silver Screen to DVD releases are partly responsible. A decline in film quality is also part of the problem.

The Jeus · 10-13-2005, 12:54 PM

here's what i don't get about the dvd thing though.....why was last year such a record year at the box office, wasn't there dvd last year too? and 2003? and 2002? why is dvd such an issue this year? no, i do believe if anything it's too much of the same thing...it's not even that the movies are necessarily bad, it's just we've seen most of it all before, which is precisely why indie film is growing, but even then, it's starting to get a little samey too.

Nam Dekan · 10-13-2005, 01:29 PM

a large soda is to much...like 5 dollars

THRiLLaH · 10-13-2005, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ruffHouze

The movies now are just plain shitty. Make better films.

i agree.

they should enlist better actors, too.

Pyro Tecknik · 10-13-2005, 11:51 PM

the only time i go to the 'cinema' is when our local independant theater shows a film(that i wanted to see but refused to bend over and grab ankles) for 2-3 bucks(also about 2-3 months after it premiered)

as for why it's declining...i heard of this, but never believed it. if anything, it seemed like more people i knew were heading out to the (ass-raping)Theaters...even though they still bought the dvd's and/or downloaded the shit online.

if anything, the only movies that suffered were the awful ones....because now more so than ever...people are getting a heads up on it.(because of the online piracy) people usually go to the theater even if they already seen it on their laptop(the experience of the theater is still there)...if it's good. bad movies get picked out much quicker than they used to before...thanks to online piracy and the ability to reach millions of people world wide through the information superhighway.

Madpoet · 10-14-2005, 03:48 AM

Cant smoke herb in the theatre

Syza Koza · 10-14-2005, 05:35 PM

I haven't been feeling films that much recently.

I'll go if the review say its at least decent.

Saw will be my next visit.

10-12-2005, 06:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Riz Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: On the road to Rishikesh Posts: 6,664	Declining Box Office figures What do you blame this on? I don't blame pirating and I don't blame unintelligent, unoriginal films for people turning away. There have been a number of films this year that have bucked the trend. Batman Begins, A History Of Violence, Serenity, Crash, etc. have all been intelligent films (relative to their genres) and none of them did particuarly well at the BO. I believe there are three main reasons. 1) 2003/4 were especially good years. You had films like Spider-Man 2, Shrek 2, the end of the LOTR and Matrix franchises. This year the only film that could even come close to that is Star Wars. I'd like to see the figures for this year compared to, say, 2000. 2) Noisy kids at the cinema. Which is connected to... 3) DVDs/Home Cinema. I've got no doubt that is the biggest contributer. I love going to the cinema, but I've decided unless it's a film I'm really hyped for, I'll just by the DVD when it comes out. It just makes sense. Why spend money going to a place surrouned by mindless morons when you can have the film forever for more or less the same price? Obviously there's the social reason, and the fact that you get to see it on a huge screen, but there are too many movies coming out anyway.

10-12-2005, 07:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
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Krighst ,//,';./';.//''./';''/.; Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 16,621	The movies now are just plain shitty. Make better films. Even then, I'd rather watch the dvd on my own projector and surround system... __________________ I have to return some videotapes.

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FukkedUPKidR яosa poweя Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: соqυітlαм, вc Posts: 273	i don't know what it is. i've gone up to 3 times a week to the theatres, but usually it's once every couple of weeks. __________________ i am alone but adored by a hundred thousand more i have known love like a whore from at least ten thousand more

10-12-2005, 08:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Riz Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: On the road to Rishikesh Posts: 6,664	No, I'm not. I said myself that I doubt the sales have gone down that much and it probably just looks worse because the last couple of years have been exceptionally good. However, all the Hollywood studios keep saying that sales are drastically down. I'm saying I believe DVDs are the reason there might be any change. How is that looking too much into it.

10-13-2005, 12:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ixtlan emceeingain'tforyou... Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 11,830	Traffic is declining. Box office sales have still been high, but that's a result of moderate increases in ticket prices. Bootlegging and shorter turn times from the Silver Screen to DVD releases are partly responsible. A decline in film quality is also part of the problem. __________________ Namaste, Ix. myspace.com/reach

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Pyro Tecknik Harbinger of Doom Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: En mi infierno y paraiso al mismo tiempo Posts: 22,602	the only time i go to the 'cinema' is when our local independant theater shows a film(that i wanted to see but refused to bend over and grab ankles) for 2-3 bucks(also about 2-3 months after it premiered) as for why it's declining...i heard of this, but never believed it. if anything, it seemed like more people i knew were heading out to the (ass-raping)Theaters...even though they still bought the dvd's and/or downloaded the shit online. if anything, the only movies that suffered were the awful ones....because now more so than ever...people are getting a heads up on it.(because of the online piracy) people usually go to the theater even if they already seen it on their laptop(the experience of the theater is still there)...if it's good. bad movies get picked out much quicker than they used to before...thanks to online piracy and the ability to reach millions of people world wide through the information superhighway. __________________ You belong in Special Ed if you think you Got It Made - J-Live with the mic is like the chef with the blade - Cause suckers get sliced and sauteed - Yeah, you thought your joint was fly but the flight was delayed... Cause yo, I take the grey matter of pretenders - through my mental blender, and then return to sender - My pen don't pretend to offend - I intend to render MC's, hangin loose like a fender bender - I recommend regardless of your gender - That you strike messin with J-Live from your agenda - And remember that whoever lends a helpin hand to defend ya - Will get burned to a cinder - As I end the reign of wack MC's with their suicidal tendencies - Renderin me sick, with the thoughts of killin enemies - But then I return to reality - Metaphorically murderin MC's when they battle me - You can't rattle me - I'm not your average snake slitherin through the grass - I surpass the serpent as I head to class - You consider me crass as I wax that ass - Style's no joke, but you best believe I gets the last laugh Last edited by Pyro Tecknik; 10-14-2005 at 12:00 AM.

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Syza Koza Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Borough of Barnet. Posts: 3,555	I haven't been feeling films that much recently. I'll go if the review say its at least decent. Saw will be my next visit. __________________ You don't wanna start no war ting.

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