How did you see the machida-shogun fight round by round?

Mac Sabbath · 10-27-2009, 08:19 PM

i hope it is.

do know that something is fucked up in his head though.

Mac Sabbath · 10-27-2009, 08:34 PM

.:Pain:. · 10-27-2009, 10:46 PM

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Machida made Shogun fight his fight? What were you watching?

Machida got whooped by pretty much pure muay thai and kickboxing, which was rua's deal. Shit, Machida thrives on people wanting to take him down for the most part. Watch Machida-Tito for further evidence.

Machida was a little out of his element against a guy that was trying to wear him down and outpoint him rather than go for the finish.

You're right, against Tito, Machida thrived because Tito kept trying to take him down.

I'd like to think that just about every single other fight (Rashad, Sokoudjou, Silva even), matters more than the one where he fought Tito, since in all those fights, he thrived on his opponents aggression.

Granted, it was A LOT more suddle, but it had to be, because Rua was a lot more precise.

And lol @ got whooped. Nobody got whooped in this fight...

SeeSon · 10-28-2009, 10:05 AM

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Didn't say I took it personally, it just seems like you took this decision personally. I mean seriously, are you Shogun? I don't think he even took the decision that harshly.

I've been watching/training in MMA since before it was a fad. I have been a fan since UFC 3. I've watched almost every single Pride event, and every single Strikeforce event ( don't care much for Dream). Not to mention the countless boxing cards I've watched. Trust me when I say that you're level of knowledge is at best equal to mine, which wouldn't surprise me, but to imply that your knowledge of fighting sports is god-like is retarded.

Cecil Peoples, as retarded as what he said was, had a point. Machida made Shogun fight his fight. Regardless of who was coming forward, Machida was the one controlling the action. Shogun fucked up by only trying to clinch a few times, and never taking the fight to the ground.

Like I said, I had the fight 2-2 with the last round up for grabs. And when a round is up for grabs, the normal thing to do is to give that round to the reigning champ...

Then why are you so against me including boxing cards with the gambling fantasy

SeeSon · 10-28-2009, 10:09 AM

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You're right, against Tito, Machida thrived because Tito kept trying to take him down.

I'd like to think that just about every single other fight (Rashad, Sokoudjou, Silva even), matters more than the one where he fought Tito, since in all those fights, he thrived on his opponents aggression.

Granted, it was A LOT more suddle, but it had to be, because Rua was a lot more precise.

And lol @ got whooped. Nobody got whooped in this fight...

Don't take this the wrong way, but is English your second language? Its a serious question, I'm not trying to be condescending and I apologize if it comes off like that. Just to help you because you may not know, its subtle, not suddle.

Mark Eaton · 10-28-2009, 12:03 PM

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Cecil Peoples, as retarded as what he said was, had a point. Machida made Shogun fight his fight. Regardless of who was coming forward, Machida was the one controlling the action. Shogun fucked up by only trying to clinch a few times, and never taking the fight to the ground.

thats just awful, and an excuse

think about the double edged sword of that statement

ok for 1 youre the champ, so you engaging the fight doesnt necessarily make sense... why would you want to close distance and fight when you can dance and keep your belt? whats the pressure on you to fight? whats the motivation for you to engage?

wow machida , such a master of ring control.... no shogun pressed on him because if he didnt then he was going to lose a boring decision instead. normally they say the aggressor wins or shows the aggression, but in this case, machida controlled the ring/ cage because SHOGUN HAD TO CHASE HIM?!?!?!?!?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! that is the stupidest fucking clowns ass argument ive ever heard, i have NEVER heard a judge say a dude backpeddling making the guy hunt him down was 'controlling the cage'

sounds like bullshit to me

i guess kalib starnes crushed nate quarry since kalib obviously had the ring control by making nate chase him for 15 minutes!

of course i took this decision personally.... for alot of reasons.

1- i was impartial going into the fight, i have in fact recently criticized shogun for not being able to use roids in the states, and being lazy and using the knee as an excuse

you have to understand, i went into the fight just wanting to watch a good fight.... i had no favorite fighter in this fight really.

2- i took it personally because i love the sport and i think it was THE WORST decision i have ever seen in the sport and it makes the judging criteria so up for interpretation now, its sickening. it robbed a man of a deserved win and robbed the fans of justice.

did you see the scoring from all the media?

i guess cecil peoples, 2 other judges, machida's corner and a few insanely rabid machida fans are the only ones who have a solid base in reality, the other 96% of us, the media, the fans, the casual fans, the other mma pros, well fuck, were just all retarded because "we dont understand" how the scoring really works.

child please

Mark Eaton · 10-28-2009, 12:05 PM

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And before the emotional thing comes into play, I'm not that mad over this decision. I am pretty heated over decisions in general.

These judges don't know or care about mma. Cecil Peoples said takedown defense counts as effective grappling. What? Is he also going to give the guy who defends shots points for effective striking? Defense should only count as something that nullifies attacks, or maybe even count against the person on defense if they're constantly on defense.

wait machida had to defend takedowns? how do you defend anything if you are in control of the cage?

Mark Eaton · 10-28-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by .:Pain:.

You're right, against Tito, Machida thrived because Tito kept trying to take him down.

I'd like to think that just about every single other fight (Rashad, Sokoudjou, Silva even), matters more than the one where he fought Tito, since in all those fights, he thrived on his opponents aggression.

Granted, it was A LOT more suddle, but it had to be, because Rua was a lot more precise.

And lol @ got whooped. Nobody got whooped in this fight...

uhhhh machida caught a medical suspension

shogun could go tomorrow

machida could not

good call though

and if machida thrived on the aggression of his opponents so well, how come he couldnt do it against shogun? he was insanely aggressive! oh wait, machida was controlling the cage, i was watching a different fight.

Mac Sabbath · 10-28-2009, 04:12 PM

It wasn't a blowout, but yeah, Machida's likely having a tough time walking and moving his upper body right now while shogun is probably busy plowing his wife.

.:Pain:. · 10-28-2009, 05:49 PM

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Then why are you so against me including boxing cards with the gambling fantasy

I'm not against it, I just think if you're going to include boxing cards, you might as well include all the MMA orgs as well.

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Don't take this the wrong way, but is English your second language? Its a serious question, I'm not trying to be condescending and I apologize if it comes off like that. Just to help you because you may not know, its subtle, not suddle.

There is a word that is pronounced like that that is a synonym for subtle, I just spelled it phoenetically cuz I don't feel like looking it up, lol.

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thats just awful, and an excuse

think about the double edged sword of that statement

ok for 1 youre the champ, so you engaging the fight doesnt necessarily make sense... why would you want to close distance and fight when you can dance and keep your belt? whats the pressure on you to fight? whats the motivation for you to engage?

wow machida , such a master of ring control.... no shogun pressed on him because if he didnt then he was going to lose a boring decision instead. normally they say the aggressor wins or shows the aggression, but in this case, machida controlled the ring/ cage because SHOGUN HAD TO CHASE HIM?!?!?!?!?

It's different. Machida used that style of fighting in nearly every single one of his fights throughout his career. That's how he controls the fight. Much in the same way Mayweather does. It's about EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION. Nice of you to leave out that first word. Rua was NOT effective in his aggression for the first two rounds.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! that is the stupidest fucking clowns ass argument ive ever heard, i have NEVER heard a judge say a dude backpeddling making the guy hunt him down was 'controlling the cage'

sounds like bullshit to me

i guess kalib starnes crushed nate quarry since kalib obviously had the ring control by making nate chase him for 15 minutes!

THAT'S HOW HE ALWAYS FIGHTS. It's different because Machida always fights like that, that's how he makes fighters fight, that's how he gets people to make mistakes, that's how he knocks people out. It's one thing for a fighter to run, it's another for a fighter to fight defensively and look for an opening to capitalize on. See Bernard Hopkins.

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2- i took it personally because i love the sport and i think it was THE WORST decision i have ever seen in the sport and it makes the judging criteria so up for interpretation now, its sickening. it robbed a man of a deserved win and robbed the fans of justice.

did you see the scoring from all the media?

LMAO. The worst decision in MMA history? Really? Before I really respond to this, I thoroughly recommend you rethink that statement. I hope that was supposed to be some sort of hyperbole.

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i guess cecil peoples, 2 other judges, machida's corner and a few insanely rabid machida fans are the only ones who have a solid base in reality, the other 96% of us, the media, the fans, the casual fans, the other mma pros, well fuck, were just all retarded because "we dont understand" how the scoring really works.

child please

You act as if I'm the only one in the world that thought Machida won. There are PLENTY of people who agree with me, I just don't give a fuck about popular opinion and instead make up my own mind. Sorry for having a mind of my own.

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uhhhh machida caught a medical suspension

shogun could go tomorrow

machida could not

good call though

and if machida thrived on the aggression of his opponents so well, how come he couldnt do it against shogun? he was insanely aggressive! oh wait, machida was controlling the cage, i was watching a different fight.

He was suspended for having a cut lip. A CUT LIP. I'm sure if necessary, Machida would say fuck it and do what he does.
He did thrive on the aggression for the first two rounds. Rua took the second two.

I don't know why your vagina has so much sand in it. I had the fight two rounds to two, with the last round being a draw...

Fag Sabbitch · 10-28-2009, 06:36 PM

Mark Eaton · 10-28-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by .:Pain:.

I'm not against it, I just think if you're going to include boxing cards, you might as well include all the MMA orgs as well.

There is a word that is pronounced like that that is a synonym for subtle, I just spelled it phoenetically cuz I don't feel like looking it up, lol.

It's different. Machida used that style of fighting in nearly every single one of his fights throughout his career. That's how he controls the fight. Much in the same way Mayweather does. It's about EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION. Nice of you to leave out that first word. Rua was NOT effective in his aggression for the first two rounds.

THAT'S HOW HE ALWAYS FIGHTS. It's different because Machida always fights like that, that's how he makes fighters fight, that's how he gets people to make mistakes, that's how he knocks people out. It's one thing for a fighter to run, it's another for a fighter to fight defensively and look for an opening to capitalize on. See Bernard Hopkins.

LMAO. The worst decision in MMA history? Really? Before I really respond to this, I thoroughly recommend you rethink that statement. I hope that was supposed to be some sort of hyperbole.

You act as if I'm the only one in the world that thought Machida won. There are PLENTY of people who agree with me, I just don't give a fuck about popular opinion and instead make up my own mind. Sorry for having a mind of my own.

He was suspended for having a cut lip. A CUT LIP. I'm sure if necessary, Machida would say fuck it and do what he does.
He did thrive on the aggression for the first two rounds. Rua took the second two.

I don't know why your vagina has so much sand in it. I had the fight two rounds to two, with the last round being a draw...

so we are supposed to judge machida's fights on how he has fought in the past? judges are supposed to judge the fight based, not on a set of criteria or rules but who is fighting? is that what youre trying to tell me?

what damage was done to shogun? not a fucking thing

that lip would be an issue after about 2 minutes

difference in this whole thing is, youre a machida fan arent you?

well im NOT a shogun fan any more than a machida fan.

and yes considering the implications of this bout, the length , the title etc , this is THE WORST decision i have ever seen in mma.... arona/wanderlei 2 was bad, rampage/ninja was terrible too

but yeah THE WORST considering the implications

you drank too mch kool aid, YOUR personal bias has your brain buying some stupid shit

go ahead and stand alone in the 2% or whatever, fact is you , along with the 3 judges, machida, his dad, anderson silva an the rest of his camp are fucking WRONG....

.:Pain:. · 10-28-2009, 07:17 PM

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so we are supposed to judge machida's fights on how he has fought in the past? judges are supposed to judge the fight based, not on a set of criteria or rules but who is fighting? is that what youre trying to tell me?

Not at all, I'm saying one should take that into consideration is all.

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what damage was done to shogun? not a fucking thing

that lip would be an issue after about 2 minutes

difference in this whole thing is, youre a machida fan arent you?

No, I'm a Pride fan, I always root for Pride fighters.

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and yes considering the implications of this bout, the length , the title etc , this is THE WORST decision i have ever seen in mma.... arona/wanderlei 2 was bad, rampage/ninja was terrible too

but yeah THE WORST considering the implications

The fight was close. There could not have been a bad decision, unless the judges gave all five rounds to either fighter.

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you drank too mch kool aid, YOUR personal bias has your brain buying some stupid shit

Keep assuming shit dumb ass. Tell me how your foot tastes?

Mark Eaton · 10-28-2009, 08:38 PM

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Not at all, I'm saying one should take that into consideration is all.

No, I'm a Pride fan, I always root for Pride fighters.

The fight was close. There could not have been a bad decision, unless the judges gave all five rounds to either fighter.

Keep assuming shit dumb ass. Tell me how your foot tastes?

like i said

you, machida and his corner and the three judges stand alone

thats enough for me

shogun 49-46 on my card.... odd how he won on all the media cards too

.:Pain:. · 10-28-2009, 08:54 PM

Odd how he lost on the cards of the only people that matter...

Mark Eaton · 10-28-2009, 10:13 PM

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Odd how he lost on the cards of the only people that matter...

yeah youre right, those 3 judges are uncorruptable

such a clean and traditionally honest profession

even the president of the ufc said the decision was shit

you live in fuckin lala land buddy, believe everything you read

the 3 judges didnt even score the rounds the same....

if you think the popular opinion of the fans doesnt matter, youre out of your mind.

.:Pain:. · 10-29-2009, 03:28 AM

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yeah youre right, those 3 judges are uncorruptable

such a clean and traditionally honest profession

even the president of the ufc said the decision was shit

1) The decision was not a corrupt one. I am a Pride fan and watched this fight WANTING Shogun to win. I had the fight two rounds two, with the 5th being a toss up. Since draws can't happen, you hafta give the round to one of the two, and you give it to the champ. That's the way the world works.

2) Can you show me where Dana White says that? Cuz I believe you making that up, I could be wrong though.

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you live in fuckin lala land buddy, believe everything you read

the 3 judges didnt even score the rounds the same....

if you think the popular opinion of the fans doesnt matter, youre out of your mind.

I'd rather not believe everything I read. It usually keeps in grounded in reality. And yea, whatever judge gave round 4 to machida was a jackass, but the totals were all the same.

I think a split decision would've been more befitting, but whatever...

Mark Eaton · 10-29-2009, 04:18 AM

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2) Can you show me where Dana White says that? Cuz I believe you making that up, I could be wrong though.

“I thought ‘Shogun’ won the fight,” said White at the post-fight press conference.

White said he’d scored rounds one, four, and five for Rua and that the promotion already planned to schedule an “immediate rematch.” White added that he’d already gotten verbal commitments from both fighters.

Machida, Rua Agree to 'Immediate Rematch'

i never make shit up son

ever

Mark Eaton · 10-29-2009, 04:19 AM

EVERYBODY said they gave 5 to rua EVEN MACHIDA HIMSELF

youre too funny bud

you need proof on that quote too? or am i making that up?

.:Pain:. · 10-29-2009, 04:41 AM

"At the end of every round, neither one of the guys went after it, neither guy tried to steal the round, Machida is the champion, and the judges gave it to Machida tonight."

Sounds pretty far from:
"I think the decision was shit," which is what you said he said.

He actually scored the fight similar to me. He had the first round up for grabs, 2 and 3 for Machida, and 4 and 5 to Shogun. So I don't understand wtf you're all pissy about.

Maybe you should actually listen to what he said instead of spewing what out-of-context quotes they post on Sherdog.

And who cares about the rematch? I mean, I want to see it, but there would have been a rematch had Shogun won anyways. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

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EVERYBODY said they gave 5 to rua EVEN MACHIDA HIMSELF

youre too funny bud

you need proof on that quote too? or am i making that up?

Here's a quote from Machida.
“I had the opportunity to see the fight again and I thought I won four rounds and Shogun took the last one," Machida said. "Some people say he won the fourth and fifth round, but for sure I won at least the first three rounds. The American commentators were pretty much biased. If you see the fight without audio, you will probably see a different fight."

So yes, please show me where Machida said he lost the fight...