There is no such thing as race...

[Noib Da Mutt]

Anyone who believes otherwise is only believing the illusion that the world wants you to see...

[Radium]

divisive categories among species are mostly just conceptual anyway

for example look at the great cladistic (evolutionary basis) vs taxonomist (morphological basis) argument in biology

honestly lifeforms on earth are very similar and the differences between them are very slight when you actually consider all of whats shared in their designs. at the end of the day all land vertebrates are really just highly specialized lobe-finned fish. keeping that in mind when you look at anything from us to the blue iguana you can actually see that expressed too.

but race is a real thing. there really are differences among people who developed in different parts of the world. but to go by it as the primary way to divide things up is shallow since humans as a whole are extremely similar creatures. you could just as easily divide things up among various primates. and going even further you could divide things up by mammal and non-mammal. and of course this can be pushed back as far as you'd like

because its just conceptual anyway

the reality is that all lifeforms are based on the same basic design and ultimately share the same ancestry. when you realize that you start thinking less and less about race as a dividing category because you can look at a ceolacanth or a polar bear and see the same things in them that are in you

[Noib Da Mutt]

its a mechanism the ego uses to give itself an identity- not who or what a human being is...


equivalent to the clothing that you wear...

[Radium]

anything can be used to give the self an identity

not just race

i think Americans have failed on the whole concept of race. they think race is everything. especially blacks, who have bought into the idea that race defines a person first before anything

which was a tool used by racist whites to separate blacks from humans

which was so effective that it works even today

thats why i am building a rocket ship. the moon is my destination. there i will live amongst the rocks and things of that nature.

[.:Pain:.]

Race is very real. In La, there is a statute that states any person with 1/32 "negro" blood is considered black, lol.

But it's actually less about skin color and more about biology...

[Radium]

Originally Posted by .:Pain:.

But it's actually less about skin color and more about biology...

well biologically...

humans are genetically 96% similar to chimpanzees

so how similar are humans to other humans then?

enough to warrant heavy emphasis on those extremely slight biological differences?

how far should we take this? can we start sub-dividing whites from whites who have big noses to whites who have skinny noses? can we start sub dividing blacks who have thick eyebrows from blacks who have thin eyebrows?

how far should we go?

we can probably go as far down as we like considering its mostly just a conceptual categorization that focuses itself on slighter differences over the shared larger similarities. if thats what we are doing then whats stopping us from going all the way with this?

[Noib Da Mutt]

Originally Posted by Radium

well biologically...

humans are genetically 96% similar to chimpanzees

so how similar are humans to other humans then?

enough to warrant heavy emphasis on those extremely slight biological differences?

how far should we take this? can we start sub-dividing whites from whites who have big noses to whites who have skinny noses? can we start sub dividing blacks who have thick eyebrows from blacks who have thin eyebrows?

how far should we go?

we can probably go as far down as we like considering its mostly just a conceptual categorization that focuses itself on slighter differences over the shared larger similarities. if thats what we are doing then whats stopping us from going all the way with this?

the only thing different is on the outside, inside we all have the same parts and genes...

It's like the difference between buying a blue or black ipod... Its still an ipod...

[reggie_jax]

black ipods are clearly better.

((i agree with radium, race is just as real as any other form of categorization. it's up to you how much emphasis you wish to place on this. it's human nature to be divisive though. i have the inclination to believe that if the world was made of nothing other than white europeans, there would still be racial classifications among those white europeans.))

[liquid`acid]

Originally Posted by Noib Da Mutt

the only thing different is on the outside, inside we all have the same parts and genes...

It's like the difference between buying a blue or black ipod... Its still an ipod...

not entirely true

a major part of the reason european settlers who migrated north 12000 years ago survived better in those areas had much to do with skin color. white people require less sunlight to produce vitamin D. when fishing was the primary source of food among primitive people it didnt matter, but when farming took over vitamin D deficiency became an issue for black people.. thus they stayed in the regions that were more hospitable to them while white people moved on to areas that were more hospitable to them.

[Joro]

^No....black people produce Vitamin D naturally while white people need the sun to produce vitamin D ....

Once again you've got your facts wrong.

[excedrin]

black people have an extra muscle in their legs too
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[Joro]

Originally Posted by Joro

^No....black people produce Vitamin D naturally while white people need the sun to produce vitamin D ....

Once again you've got your facts wrong.

I stand corrected....

"What scientists now believe is that everyone started out with dark skin in the first place because it is protective against absorbing too much Vitamin D, which is toxic. Too much vitamin D causes calcium to be pulled from the intestines and bones and deposited in soft tissues all over the body, damaging the kidneys, heart and blood vessels. Dark skin screens out UV radiation and your body, which uses UV to produce Vitamin D, produces less of it - a real evolutionary advantage at the lower latitudes where we began." - Linda Beckerman, Ph.D

So in Europe, where the nights are longer and the sun is weaker, dark skin can be disadvantageous if you're not eating right. Interestingly, no change in diet can save the white man from skin cancer in a tropical climate.

An explanation for the differing races:

"what about all the other features that make us look so different? Mutations that endure are often advantageous to specific climates. For example, the tall thin body of the Masai warrior dissipates heat while the short squat body of the Inuit retains it. Long northern European noses moisten and warm the air before it reaches lungs, while in Africa short noses remain because the air is already moist and warm. The Asian's eyelid folds protect their eyes against dry sandy desert winds and wind driven snow. In the far north, light sensitive blue eyes allow people to see better when it is dark much of the year. The tightly coiled hair of the African keeps the hair off his neck so he remains cooler. All these diverse physical features promote the promulgation of different lines of inheritance, or ethnic lineages." -Linda Beckerman, Ph.D

Read the full article, which talks about how their is no genetic difference between the races here: A Paler Shade of Black

The point is made more than once that there is no genetic difference between the races because we are all essentially black.

[liquid`acid]

i guess it depends how you define 'genetic differences'

given that little bit about black and white differences in regards to sunlight that we agree on (for once lol) id call that a genetic difference but i do get what they are coming from saying that essentially we're all the same (minus a couple physical attribute differences)

[Tequila Jong-il]

The best layman's introduction to the biology of race that i'm aware of

VDARE.com: 12/16/07 - The Race FAQ

[.:Pain:.]

well biologically...

humans are genetically 96% similar to chimpanzees

so how similar are humans to other humans then?

enough to warrant heavy emphasis on those extremely slight biological differences?

how far should we take this? can we start sub-dividing whites from whites who have big noses to whites who have skinny noses? can we start sub dividing blacks who have thick eyebrows from blacks who have thin eyebrows?

how far should we go?

The only reason (IMO) to monitor race is to monitor race based diseases (i.e. sickle cell) as well as particular immunities. I don't think divisions are needed, but race needs to be studied in order to see how we can improve our genetic make up...

[KNoXvillE]

That's a interesting concept

[SIZZLA]

Originally Posted by Noib Da Mutt

Anyone who believes otherwise is only believing the illusion that the world wants you to see...

the best thing ive read on here in years!

[Joro]

Blacks and whites are like Lions and Tigres .....yes they can breed in captivity and make Ligres and Tigons, half-breeds neither here nor there with lower rates of survival ..... but in nature they knows by instinct not to fucks wit each other.....

[Joro]

Originally Posted by excedrin

black people have an extra muscle in their legs too
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That's called The Third Leg.

Also known as The Love Muscle.

[Tequila Jong-il]

and the aids stick