December 21 2012

[snowy]

Just wondering what some peoples opinions are of this day. Are you in the group of people who believe its gonna be an Armageddon type of deal or will it just be another day on the calendar. Now you dont need to read all this but its just for those too lazy for google

Just gonna list some references to it for anyone who doesn't feel like looking for it.

The most common one is from Mayan history in which its calendar ends on this date. The Mayans had a quite advanced understanding of astronomy, shown in the fact that the 21 is also the date of a Winter Solstice. The ability to pick a date several centuries in the future which would be a Solstice would be quite unlikely without there advanced understanding. They discovered that just like the moon revolves around the earth and the earth around the sun, that the sun revolves around something as well, and that it takes 25,625 years for one revolution known as a galactic day. the central sun or light of the galaxy emits a ray of light so intense and so brilliant that it illuminates the entire universe. It is from this burst of light that all of the Suns and planets sync. The Mayans compare this burst to the pulse of the universe, beating once every 5,125 years. It is these pulses that mark the end of one cycle and the beginning of the next.

Scientists have confirmed that our sun is going through a change right now possibly having to do with its current sun spot cycle which will end in 2012 and come back 30-50% stronger. Some have also theorized that the sun and the earth are going to have their magnetic poles reversed. They have also reported that on the 21st our solar system will shift from above the galactic plane to below it. Some have listed the current increase in global weather, ie volcano, earthquake, hurricane, tornado, flood activity all being on the rise over the past few decades as an effect of the galactic movements.


One of the things that always got to me was that not only was it predicted by civilizations but by ones completely separated from each other. Many believe the Bibles revelations are going to come true in the coming years. Nostradamus' quatrains predicts the coming of a comet that will pass close to earth possibly impacting it. The I-Ching listed the date as a "Termination Date".

The Mckenna brothers did a study on something termed Timewave or Novelty in which they made startling discoveries using math.

Their studies began with the I Ching, which is composed of 64 hexagrams, or six-line figures. It struck them that 6 x 64 = 384, which is exceptionally close to the number of days in 13 lunar months (29.5306 x 13 = 383.8978), and that maybe the I Ching was originally an ancient Chinese calendar. Further multiples had astronomical significance:

1 day x 64x 6= 384 days= 13 lunar months

384 days x 64= 67 years, 104.25 days= 6 minor sunspot cycles (11.2 years each)

67 years, 104.25 days x 64 = 4306+ years = 2 Zodiacal ages

4306+ years x 6 = 25836 years = 1 precession of the equinoxes

The McKenna brothers arrived at the 2012 end date by using fractals. Starting from a table of differences between one hexagram and the next, they developed a Mandelbrot fractal in which each level is 64 times greater then the one below it. They then laid this fractal pattern on top of a time scale. The peaks and troughs of the pattern relate to the level of connectedness or novelty in any span of time, whether it covers a day, millennia or even since the beginning of time. By matching the levels of the pattern with key periods in history, they determined it would fit best if the end of the time scale was December 22, 2012. This is the only point in which the level of novelty reaches its maximum, and everything that happens is new. Change feeds upon itself like nano-machines converting every atom in the universe into gold.

The final 80 or so pages of their Invisible Landscape (1993) describe the complicated mathematics and methodology they employed. A base period of roughly 67 years was discovered (all calculations are rough, but not inaccurate)…

2012 minus 67 years = 1945, a year of great change

2012 minus 4,300 years (67x64) = 2300 BC, the beginning of historical time

2012 minus 275,000 years (4300 x 64) = the emergence of Homo sapiens

2012 minus 18 million years (275,000 x 64) = the height of the age of mammals

2012 minus 1.3 billion years = the beginning of life on our planet

About what may happen in 2012 they have this to say:

“Achievement of the zero state can be imagined to arrive in one of two forms. One is the dissolution of the cosmos in an actual cessation and unravelling of the natural laws, a literal apocalypse. The other possibility… the culmination of a human process, a process of toolmaking, which comes to completion in the perfect artefact: the monadic self, exteriorised, condensed, and visible in three dimensions; in alchemical terms, the dream of a union of spirit and matter”.

On top of all this they state that they calculated the 2012 end date in the early 1970’s, long before they had heard of the Mayan calendar. And to their credit, the original 1975 edition of The Invisible Landscape makes no mention of the Maya. If this is true, then it would be prudent to consider their result as much more than a coincidence, and to take their ideas seriously.

And I'm sure many of you have heard of Merlin the magician. Merlin was believed to be a Celtic shaman that many of his day considered a "crazed man of the forest." As a result, during those times he was referred to as "Merlin the Wild." But what many don't realize is that Merlin was considered Europe's greatest oracle or "seer."

Merlin predicted that the planets will "run riot" through the constellations. Completely off their normal paths of rotation. Scientists speculate that if this were to happen, it would be a result of the earth changing it's rotation - or the poles shifting.

Merlin also predicted that the use of "talking stones" would be taking place during this time. For those of you who don't know, stone is the basis of our modern technology. Quartz in particular. Quartz technology is used in cell phones as well as computers. Silicone quartz stores information that can then be retrieved.

One of the most famous artifacts of the Mayans are crystal skulls made of Quartz. When one of the skulls was studied it showed properties that it was of such a pure form that would be almost impossible to find in nature. Quartz crystal is almost as strong as diamonds but it is also quite brittle and and the scientists reported that even with modern tools it would take up to a year to duplicate, some even said that because it was so brittle that tools couldn't be used without cracking the Quartz and that the only way the Mayans could of created the skull was to rub it with fine sand for around 300 years. The Mayans claimed the skulls even talked to them, maybe as ancient transmitters.

There are others like the Hopi Indians who made similar 2012 prophecies in which they believed the world was going to enter a new age being preceded by an increase in natural disasters.

[Dex Lewis]

Fuck off.

[KingMenace]

It has al the validity of modern astrology.

There is no reason to believe that ancient people had any insight into the future, any more than what we have now, and no reason to believe that the Swimsuit Calendar points to the fact that the world will end on December 31, 2007 at midnight. If the motherfuckers had been around and it got to 2012 they wouldn't say "Oh, out of days, oops, we're fucked!" No, they'd make another fucking calendar.

[Ghet for Prez]

These are indigenous Southern American cultures you people are refering to for insight in the future.

So far, their batting history suggests they didn't even see those Europeans coming.

I'd imagine their predictive skills get terminated at that point.

[snowy]

They did see them coming, they just mistaked them for gods seeing as how the europeans were more technology advanced (guns and armor wise) they were fooled.

And you dont think its a little suspect that the day they picked was not only a winter solstice, it was the equivalent of our suns midnight which happens once every 25k years. They picked a day that was significant on a scale that we ourselves are just recently coming to with current technology. And it wasnt just some south american culture, all of the ancient and not so ancient worlds have these prophecies. Ancient China with the I-Ching, Native American Hopi Indians, The Bibles Revelations.

Thats not exactly just a coincidence.

Also they didnt neccesarily say it was gonna be end of days or what, it was just gonna be madly important. I mean our calendar is based on recorded history only really going back maybe 5-6k years ago. This is gonna be something that hasnt happened for so long that theres no chance it was picked from a hat. to me atleast.

[Ghet for Prez]

Well, if they got fooled, then they failed now didn't they?

[kingjafaar]

Originally Posted by Dex Lewis

Fuck off.

^^^

[Yahunyahti]

Originally Posted by Ghet for Prez

So far, their batting history suggests they didn't even see those Europeans coming.

hahaha

Damn, beat me to it. I was gonna reply with: "They could foresee the end of the world but they didn't see those ships coming?"



To the post: The day will come and go and the fruits will conjure up some new prophecy just like they did when the world didn't end during the Y2K.

[Yahunyahti]

Originally Posted by snowy

They did see them coming, they just mistaked them for gods seeing as how the europeans were more technology advanced (guns and armor wise) they were fooled.

And you dont think its a little suspect that the day they picked was not only a winter solstice, it was the equivalent of our suns midnight which happens once every 25k years. They picked a day that was significant on a scale that we ourselves are just recently coming to with current technology. And it wasnt just some south american culture, all of the ancient and not so ancient worlds have these prophecies. Ancient China with the I-Ching, Native American Hopi Indians, The Bibles Revelations.

Thats not exactly just a coincidence.

Also they didnt neccesarily say it was gonna be end of days or what, it was just gonna be madly important. I mean our calendar is based on recorded history only really going back maybe 5-6k years ago. This is gonna be something that hasnt happened for so long that theres no chance it was picked from a hat. to me atleast.

It doesn't need to be a coincidence. The Native Americans are offspring of the Indo-Chinese. Are you surprised that they carried their "end of the world" ideas with them as they traveled up from India through what is now Tibet, through China and Russia over into Alaska and down through North and South America?

It's not really that great of a mystery is it?

[Namor]

Originally Posted by Dex Lewis

Fuck off.

classic-i love the fact that it was the 1st post-great fuckin timing...



yeah-something may happen on that date-but It dosen't mean the world is gonna just explode....

maybe aliens will reveal themselves

maybe Jesus will come back

maybe we will spawn AI that take the form of Governor Swartzenaggers skeleton

Maybe Tupac & Elvis will be found locked in a homo erotic embrace


maybe monkeys will fly from Modonas ass


MAybe Michael Jackson will Moonwalk so fast he'll revert back to black

or maybe

jack shit happens cept some lunar or solar eclipse

[M.T]

Just another day.

[~~! Smoke !~~]

no one will know for sure until the day comes. no use in dwelling on it. if it happens it happens.

[TheReturn]

snowy you should check out the book Decipher by Svel Pavlou, has alot to do with this kind of stuff. I found it to be pretty interesting.