if it were possible, what would be some potential cons of world peace?

[Pee Wee Gaskins]

thanks.

[identity-X]

overpopulation

[iLL Rich]

a boring, dreary, lifeless existance.

[Mortido]

Limited resources, limitless human needs..

Niggas gots to get deaded.

[iLL Rich]

world peace is possible

we just have 2 exterminate all life in the universe for it to happen

[menaz]

A brave new world.

[menaz]

I'm saying everyone would be blind and suppressed from natures reality. They would be embryonic robots. There would be no real emotions like anger, hate, sadness. There would only be mood stabilizers, propaganda literature, fake shits and giggles. Like John the savage I do not want this con of total peace.
I agree with the savage on this point. I need to read tragedies, I need to experience everything in life, I don't need my world and feelings dictated to me.

[Tequila Jong-il]

Originally Posted by iLL Rich

world peace is possible

we just have 2 exterminate all life in the universe for it to happen

nah, just the middle east

[Sartana]

Originally Posted by menaz

I'm saying everyone would be blind and suppressed from natures reality. They would be embryonic robots. There would be no real emotions like anger, hate, sadness. There would only be mood stabilizers, propaganda literature, fake shits and giggles. Like John the savage I do not want this con of total peace.

I agree with the savage on this point. I need to read tragedies, I need to experience everything in life, I don't need my world and feelings dictated to me.

your answer is a little too narrow

first of all, an agreement of what "world peace" is has to be reached

for me, it's no human consciously and purposely taking the life of another, meaning there would still be room for fistfights with non-fatal intent, etc.

if this kind of world peace were possible (it's not... times can and will get more peaceful i think, but "world peace" won't exist), you'd have to take into account the possibility of it coming out from within man himself without having it dictated to him.... each and every individual adhering piously to the basic proverbs of christianity, buddhism, etc. or simply having that innate nature to begin with

nothing says there can't be anger, hate, sadness, etc... it's just that they would be managed and manifested differently in a more intellectual manner or through refereed competitive sport (ie. in place of many schoolyard fights over girls, you'd see young men freestyle battling with the loser acknowledging his loss and saying, "madam, this gentleman here is better equipped to provide you with the good life. i humbly bow out of this race of courtship")

and, nothing says there won't be any tragedies to be read either, because people will still be dying in car/plane crashes, shark attacks, boating accidents, disease, etc.



for instance, imagine a world where jesus christ, buddha, and gandhi represented the "lowest", more aggressive form of man within a highly evolved superhuman race

[Ghet for Prez]

Getting there.

[menaz]

Originally Posted by Sartana

your answer is a little too narrow

first of all, an agreement of what "world peace" is has to be reached

for me, it's no human consciously and purposely taking the life of another, meaning there would still be room for fistfights with non-fatal intent, etc.

if this kind of world peace were possible (it's not... times can and will get more peaceful i think, but "world peace" won't exist), you'd have to take into account the possibility of it coming out from within man himself without having it dictated to him.... each and every individual adhering piously to the basic proverbs of christianity, buddhism, etc. or simply having that innate nature to begin with

nothing says there can't be anger, hate, sadness, etc... it's just that they would be managed and manifested differently in a more intellectual manner or through refereed competitive sport (ie. in place of many schoolyard fights over girls, you'd see young men freestyle battling with the loser acknowledging his loss and saying, "madam, this gentleman here is better equipped to provide you with the good life. i humbly bow out of this race of courtship")

and, nothing says there won't be any tragedies to be read either, because people will still be dying in car/plane crashes, shark attacks, boating accidents, disease, etc.



for instance, imagine a world where jesus christ, buddha, and gandhi represented the "lowest", more aggressive form of man within a highly evolved superhuman race

Have you read a brave new world? Judging by your reply i'm going to guess no. I was asked what I meant by "a brave new world." If you had read the book you'd know what i'm speaking on.

There was no shakespearean literature it was replaced with "the Ford's literature" which is propaganda material utilized to control their behavior, consisting of no jealousy, sadness, tragedy, anger, or hate. Noone knew of tragedy, jealousy, sadness, anger, or hate. The Upotians were ignorant of all thought and feelings.

Every book including the religioisty scriptures were replaced with propaganda books intitled the "The Ford". Everyone was created by the Bokanovsky's Process, meaning they were embryonic test tube births. Their behavoiral conditioning was subdued with the wonder drug known as Soma. Example: If someone died they were numb, they had not a thought or feeling about it. They knew nothing of hate, jealousy, anger, tragedy, or sadness.

They could not think for themselves nor feel. They were blind to everything. "The ford" and "soma" controlled their thought processes and feelings. Marriage was looked down upon much like it is today thanks to radical feminism. Noone fights, even though they are imprisoned in a dictatorial world. Noone one argues, logic and rationale do not exist, only unconscious obeying does.

[Yahunyahti]

There are two posters in this thread that I would like to acknowledge.

1. Menaz - It's good to see that you've recently picked up the book and read it, unless of course you've merely discovered the footnotes in a google search, in which case I would have to retract my pat on the back and replace it with a slap across your face for posing. This of course is not the first time that you have argued blindly against a topic and then discovered months (or years) later that you were in fact wrong and instead of admitting it taken on the talent of an X-Man and shape shifted on the board to appear intellectual, but I am certain there are only two people in this forum who will realize (and only one who will actually care) that you are a fraud, you and I sharing that knowledge and you being the only one who will care. But, anyway, I felt I would like to stop in and thank you for once again emulating me and proving (if only to me) that everything I have always known to be true about you is, in fact, on point. How's the revolution coming?

2. Brahme - Loved the post. That's all I have to say about that (Forrest Gump voice).

[Yahunyahti]

This is my gift to you. I understand that in these modern times the facsimile is respected as much, if not more, as the fundamental. I myself have a habit of hand writing all of my poetry and sealing them in plastic sheets and then passing out only the printed copies to other people, so I understand . . . I do. I figured that some of these quotes will illuminate your path as you walk throughout the synthetic woods from which you will observe mechanical wildlife and sniff plastic flowers, for that which may trick the bee, shall fool the hive. You ask, "Why would you give this to me?" I respond, "While you are a slumbering fool who dribbles on his pillow while ruling in his dream, if I may cause an unconscious jerk or two from you, others may begin to wake up."

Enjoy:

[All quotes from Henry David Thoreau]

"What I have been preparing to say is this, in wildness is the preservation of the world . . . Life consists of wildness. The most alive is the wildest. Not yet subdued by man, its presence refreshes him. . . . When I would re-create myself, I seek the darkest wood, the thickest and most interminable and to the citizen, most dismal, swamp. I enter as a sacred place, a Sanctum sanctorum. There is the strength, the marrow, of Nature. In short, all good things are wild and free."

"He is not a true man of science who does not bring some sympathy to his studies, and expect to learn something by behavior as well as by application. It is childish to rest in the discovery of mere coincidences, or of partial and extraneous laws. The study of geometry is a petty and idle exercise of the mind, if it is applied to no larger system than the starry one. Mathematics should be mixed not only with physics but with ethics; that is mixed mathematics. The fact which interests us most is the life of the naturalist. The purest science is still biographical."

"Why level downward to our dullest perception always, and praise that as common sense? The commonest sense is the sense of men asleep, which they express by snoring. ... but in this part of the world it is considered a ground for complaint if a man's writings admit of more than one interpretation."

"Why should we be in such desperate haste to succeed and in such desperate enterprises? If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. It is not important that he should mature as soon as an apple tree or an oak."


And lastly:


"However mean your life is, meet it and live it; do not shun it and call it hard names. ... Love your life, poor as it is. You may perhaps have some pleasant, thrilling, glorious hours, even in a poor-house. ... I do not see but a quiet mind may live as contentedly there, and have as cheering thoughts, as in a palace. The town's poor seem to me often to live the most independent lives of any. ... Cultivate poverty like a garden herb, like sage. Do not trouble yourself much to get new things, whether clothes or friends. Turn the old; return to them. Things do not change; we change. Sell your clothes and keep your thoughts. God will see that you do not want society. If I were confined to a corner of a garret all my days, like a spider, the world would be just as large to me while I had my thoughts about me. ... [Even if we were to become immensely rich] our aims must still be the same, and our means essentially the same. Moreover, if you are restricted in your range by poverty, if you cannot buy books and newspapers, for instance, you are but confined to the most significant and vital experiences; you are compelled to deal with the material which yields the most sugar and the most starch. It is life near the bone where it is sweetest. ... Superfluous wealth can buy superfluities only."

[Yahunyahti]

Here is my answer to the thread, by the way:

Those who seek world peace do not have inner peace. Those who have inner peace do not seek world peace, for they realize that life, with all its various peaks and valleys is known through its extremes. Anybody who says they can provide peace to the world is a con artist.

[Brahman]

menaz, yes, i have read brave new world

all i'm saying is your reply didn't adequately answer the question

the kind of world depicted in brave new world wouldn't be a potential con of "world peace"... it would be a potential con of totalitarianism seeking to promote its brand of peace

nothing about "world peace", if it were possible, in itself establishes a brave new world-like society

Originally Posted by Yahunyahti

2. Brahme - Loved the post. That's all I have to say about that (Forrest Gump voice).

thanks

Originally Posted by Yahunyahti

Those who seek world peace do not have inner peace. Those who have inner peace do not seek world peace, for they realize that life, with all its various peaks and valleys is known through its extremes. Anybody who says they can provide peace to the world is a con artist.

eh, can't say i agree in entirety

i see what you're saying in essence, but sometimes i think you get too wrapped up in coming up with quick, succint maxims that you leave much to be desired

i believe i am person who has found inner peace (or, at least a great deal more of it than the average person), and because i seek to help others find moderation within themselves (the ones who force extremes before they even come either out of overaggression or a search for masculine, "hardass" cosmetic vanity) doesn't mean i can't myself deal with peaks and valleys when they come

i don't seek "world peace" per se, but i strive to help others find other forms of expression for redirecting the energies within them... striving to do my part to prevent destruction and promote growth and building

i know there will never be that "one final answer" solving everything, but every little bit helps

[menaz]

menaz, yes, i have read brave new world

all i'm saying is your reply didn't adequately answer the question

the kind of world depicted in brave new world wouldn't be a potential con of "world peace"... it would be a potential con of totalitarianism seeking to promote its brand of peace

nothing about "world peace", if it were possible, in itself establishes a brave new world-like society

That's the whole point. The supposedly "world peace" will infact be totalitarianism. There is no such thing as "world peace" coming naturally. If you believe that, you might as well become Miss. USA. The only way to produce this "world peace" would be how Huxely demonstrated it.