Free Speech and the Family are Incompatible

[Tadou]

Think about this......


You have a daughter that you love. You are a Liberal (or Progressive, or Rebel, or whatever you want to call it). You're one of those people who think Free Speech is the most important thing we have, and that it should never be taken away from us no matter what.

Consider.

I don't like you. I despise you. I decide I'm going to track down your Social Security Number, and make a T-Shirt out of it. I then take your SSN, put it on a T-Shirt, and have a shirt made that says "John Q. Liberal's SSN is XXX-XX-XXXX"

Are you still in favor of free speech then?

Continuing.....

If you say yes, then how about this one.

I find out the name of your daughter. I then aquire a picture of her. I buy some space in a Newspaper and print her picture with the caption, "This is John Q Liberal's Daughter. Isn't she the cutest thing ever?"

This, of course, would continue until we added: Her Full Name, Her SSN, Her Home Address, Her School, Her Teachers' Name(s), and so on and so forth....

Until even the most outspoken Free Speech advocate would finally yell out "ENOUGH! You've gone too far!"


The point I'm making here is that if you take the faggiest Atheist Liberal loser around, with no family and friends, then he might care less if he had his SSN, home address, etc floating around. He'd feel like a martyr, if anything. But the moment you bring family into the picture, things change. It is human nature to protect your family, ABOVE ALL ELSE!


The more you think about this topic, the more you can understand why Liberals, Atheists and everyone else in the Left-wing camp want people to stop having families, want people to get more abortions, are strongly in favor of gay marriage, etc etc. They want a society based around the individual...not the family.

You can also understand why they put such a premium on Free Speech, framing it as a sort of untouchable "Human Right", going out of their way to strive in the causes of so-called "Political Prisoners", spreading Alex Jones 9/11 conspiracy propaganda, and so on.

In reality.....they want to destroy the Family, and they are willing to trick us all using "Free Speech" (among other things) to do so.

[x - calibur]

free speech and freedom of press are a cornerstone of free society.

however..

while you can think and express just about any opinion you have, there are criminal things you can do with speech that cant be accepted.

threats, extortion, libel, defamation of character, breaking contracts, perjury, harrassment, and so on..

you gave examples of how speech, or transmitting ideas through print, can be used to attack people and put lives and belongings at risk. that cant be allowed if society is going to function.

in the non-ideal real world, there always have to be limits and compromises. its the same way that we live in a capitalist economy, yet we have social security etc.

[iLL Rich]

this is true

im not for free speech in certain situations

[menaz]

It is against the law for someone to take your SSN, it's considered Identity Theft. So that's not even freedom of speech issue it's just flat out illegal.

Freespeech is overruled for instance in some situations.
Like you can't yell fire inside a crowed movie theather.


WOW, at your Extreme view on atheist. Why the hate?
Where have you been bill oreilly oops I mean Tadou?

[UnbrokeN]

i strongly agree here. free speech must have its limitations. its common fact that the liberal agenda is trying to undermine the status of the traditional family in ''modern society''. it is a de••••cable and foul idealogy that is continously eating up western societies from the inside, if we dont stop it.

[Anidawehi]

You do know that this is not what "Freedom of Speech" is, correct?

Freedom of Speech is the right to speak out against the Government, not to get people's personal information and put it out there. That is actually against the law.
Just because Liberals are fuckin stupid and don't know what Freedom of Speech means, that doesn't mean that Conservatives should be equally stupid and try to destroy it.

[Leila Night]

I wonder... is the world (or the Western world; whatever) really divided in half with so-called Liberals standing on one side and so-called Conservatives on the other?
And what are Cons trying to conserve? The family? The economy? Why do they refuse to through conserving the environment into the mix? (j/k)


Freedom of expression is a right people have upon birth, and like all rights, you can obviously abuse it.
Tadou, I think you need to give a better example.

[identity-X]

maybe conservatives should band together and create "free speech zones" for murderers, pedophiles, and identity thefts where they can all band together and share information about possible victims (like you said...t-shirts with SSN numbers or children's pictures on them), but in a secluded area where nobody would see it anyway


.....like they do for people who want to speak out against our government officials and the policies they support. you know...the type of speech the first amendment is actually supposed to protectl (like Anida said).

[Leila Night]

Originally Posted by identity-X

maybe conservatives should band together and create "free speech zones" for murderers, pedophiles, and identity thefts where they can all band together and share information about possible victims (like you said...t-shirts with SSN numbers or children's pictures on them), but in a secluded area where nobody would see it anyway


.....like they do for people who want to speak out against our government officials and the policies they support. you know...the type of speech the first amendment is actually supposed to protectl (like Anida said).

Just dry enough.

It's great to know that people actually make threads like this using bad information, opinion as fact and Demagoguery to convince people that expression should be limited further than it has been.
Do I sound like a misguided Lib?

I think I have to go abort my embryo now.

[Anidawehi]

Don't get caught up in picking sides, people.

The entire world will soon be undergoing a shift in government. The world leaders will first try to bring the world together through consumerism/capitalism. They will succeed only so far as to connect individuals to one another. Once that is established and they (as well as the people) depend upon its stability then they will be challenged, overthrown and imprisoned for their crimes against humanity.

Their time is coming.
When it does, there will not be conservatives and liberals or capitalists and communists. There will be One World, One Law, One Leader and he will rule with justice and equality, peace and righteousness.

You all will live to experience the chaos that comes before that time and IF you survive that period of time you will witness first hand the world as it should be.

But make no mistakes, the world will NOT be a democracy.

[UnbrokeN]

Abidawahi is right.

[x - calibur]

hold on, i just read over this again

how exactly does freedom of speech destroy the family? i think i missed that one

[Tadou]

And you are not alone. A lot of of people, for some reason, aren't understanding how to read English. Last I checked, the word Incompatible was being taught in High School, but i guess people skipped that Vocab Quiz.

Incompatible means just that: Not compatible. You can try to jam a Triangle piece into a Square hole all you want, and you might be able to get it to "fit", even.....but it will never be a perfect fit, as I have already explained.



Numbers are not illegal. Do not be daft, and make me sit here and waste my time thinking of ways to put your Name and SSN together and get it out to the public, without explicitly labeling either as such. Use your imaginations.

All I'd have to do, for example, is write a short story: Billy lives at 293 Main Street; he is 38 years old. His wife is 29, and his daughter is 12 years old (This for a man named William with the SSN 293-38-2912.) -- Writing stories is not a crime. That his SSN would match with the numbers in my book...pure coincidence. So please, do not waste my time and sit here and talk about the "Law" and what is and isn't legal. Stop stalling and trying to force a technicality, and get to the argument at hand.

Originally Posted by Leila Night

It's great to know that people actually make threads like this using bad information, opinion as fact and Demagoguery to convince people that expression should be limited further than it has been.
Do I sound like a misguided Lib?

I think I have to go abort my embryo now.

Funny, i was just thinking about this yesterday.


You have Opinion......
[opinion].................
it's way on this side.


Then you have Science....
.............[opinion]
its way on the other side.


Then you have argument....
....[argument].....
somewhere in the middle.



When people like you sit around, and bitch, and complain, and the first thing out of your mouth is about how someone else's words are "just their opinion", you basically admit that you are an idiot, and that you are incapable of argument. You admit to seeing things as only being Black and White, True or False, Scientific or Unscientific. Unfortunately for you, that is not how these things works.

So, you can either fight for the middle ground--like I am doing--or kindly shut the fuck up. I do not know you, or care to know you, but I think you are some kind of leftover from the old 'Spec days. Sadly for you, these are not the old 'Spec days. These are the new 'Spec days. Your old weak ass behavior will not be tolerated.

[Tadou]

By the way, last I checked, I never used the word "limit" one time. What are you guys even talking about? Are you even analyzing my argument, or just making shit up based on your own misinterpretations?

This isn't about limiting free speech. This is about the fact that Liberals revel in being able to, 1), squeeze the juice out of Free Speech to attack and defame and misinform as much as they can, and then, 2), try and convince everyone that will listen that our free speech is in "danger" any time they are called to account for doing 1).

It's the same thing Terrorists do. Hide among civilians and launch rockets; then when the Army attacks back and, necessarily, kills a few civilians via collateral damage........the Terrorists jump up and scream, "You see! This is why we continue to fight! Because the American Army is killing our civilians!"

(For all those keeping score, yes, I just compared Liberals' use of "Free Speech Rights" to Terrorists' use of Human Shields. Now, you can be simple and narrow that down to me comparing Liberals to Terrorists...or you can be a grown-up, and use the entire sentence. I'll leave it up to you.)

[x - calibur]

lol @ stalling, ur not even making your point

yea, you can cover up exposing personal info in different ways.. but that wont stop a lawsuit.

i still dont see a relevant point supporting "free speech destroys family"


edit - just saw that last post, ill respond VVV

[x - calibur]

This isn't about limiting free speech. This is about the fact that Liberals revel in being able to, 1), squeeze the juice out of Free Speech to attack and defame and misinform as much as they can, and then, 2), try and convince everyone that will listen that our free speech is in "danger" any time they are called to account for doing 1).

its true that with freedom of speech, there will be alot of things you greatly disagree with.

spin, propaganda, evil agendas, conspiracy theories will be out there..

but that comes with the territory. its up to the individual to sort out the good from the bad. and thats alot better than the alternative.