To my Muslim brothers and sisters

[teq the decider]

I done revealed the truth about islam here way back.

[Red1]

Hey, what happened?

[Thrilla-Ali]

I elected to stop talking to you because you can not keep on the subject matter and you're wrong alot. Not to mention, You can't even type your thoughts you have to copy and paste them. You are lair, a selective reader, and you switch the subject matter to devert attention. Please, You have a selective wikipedia education. You're a Joke of misinformation just like wikipedia. This site knows what you're about. Oh and Thanks for making a Ad hominem fallacy.

Yea right LOL

Your the one who gets his facts from bias websites. And for your info, i do indeed read the encyclopedia, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, I don't need wikipedia to debate with you, i only use wikipedia and other websites to back up my statements, and FYI i never quoted of any biased websites [unlike you]. You lost a billion times over, who respects you? No one you punk bitch.



LOL@ good knowledge. Statements like that make you seem so stupid.

The fact you even think Virgins are up in heaven means you're delusional.
You're Imam tells you what to think. You have no free thought.

I just told you that was unauthentic scripture, ask any scholar. *yawn* once again you flop at anything you say, and your anti-muslim threads just back fire on you, totally. Just like how you thought 2 women were equal to 1 man until i had to school your ignorant ass yet again


You can't even speak Arabic.

Not even your average arabic speaker can truley understand the qu'ran. It takes indeph knowledge of the old linguistics of the language [an extinct language almost] to really find the purest meanings of the verses.


But I would like to meet you in person. I'll expose you for the moron
you are in 5 seconds.


not to sound imposing or intimidating, but if i ever met you i'd knock you the fuck out for real dog lol im just being real.

[Anidawehi]

I told him to answer those questions "Yes or No" and not to give me any drawn out explanations. What does he do? He didn't answer a single one of them with a simple yes or no.

I asked him if Mohammed believed himself to be possessed by demons and Thrilla responds with: "No, Mohammed was not possessed by demons." That wasn't the question. Fuckin people try to duck and weave their way through life and maintain their bullshit beliefs and I'm sick of it.

Mohammed believed himself to be posessed by demons.
Mohammed's mother in law believed him to be posessed by demons.
Mohammed's family members believed him to be posessed by demons.
Mohammed's OWN PEOPLE believed he was posessed by demons.
•••s mocked him because he was quoting THEIR history back to them and claiming it as his own.
•••s mocked him because he was GETTING THEIR HISTORY WRONG and claiming that ALLAH gave it to him through the angel Gabriel.
•••s mocked him because there was NEVER A SINGLE PROPHECY of an Ishmaelite Prophet. The Prophets were ALL •••s. Abraham was not a Prophet. He Prophecied absolutely nothing. Adam was not a prophet, he prophecied nothing. Hell, the Quran teaches that Adam was the first man. Where does the Quran get this? The Torah. Where did the •••s get it? The Babylonians. Adam was a KING in Babylon who basically erased history before him and claimed that him and his wife were the first human beings and the story is still being recited today.

The Garden of Eden is gibberish. There was no mystical garden. It was a King making up his history and the people believing it.

Muslims are so blind it is disgusting. They swear up and down that the Bible is wrong and the Torah is wrong and the Quran is flawless and perfect and has never been changed. 1. The Torah is not perfect. 2. The Gospel (New Testament) is not perfect. 3. The Quran is not perfect.

The Scriptures (regardless of religion) are NOTHING MORE THAN GUIDES. They are BOOKS. They are not Holy nor are they flawless. Human beings are not perfect and books come from human beings writing them. If the person is not flawless then the book that comes from them will not be flawless, either. GOD DOES NOT WRITE BOOKS! STOP YOUR LIES!

The Torah (In Hebrew) has NEVER BEEN CHANGED.
The Gospels (IN COPTIC GREEK) has NEVER BEEN CHANGED.
When you read the Bible or Torah in Arabic or English . . . YOU'RE READING A TRANSLATION. There are numerous "versions" in translation. There are NOT numerous versions of the original text.

Muslims are liars.
Every religion in the world, aside from Islam wants peace.
Muslims want war until the end of time. It's in their Quran that they are to war with •••s forever.

You follow a false prophet and worship Satan.

You want proof? I'll quote YESHUA (Isa) to give you your proof) [ALL verses will come from Yeshua (Isa) only and will come from the Gospels of Thomas and Mary (Yeshua's 'Companion, whom he loved') - Which were discovered by a MUSLIM MAN who couldn't read them. They have NOT been altered.]:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. By their fruit you will know them."

[In this verse Yeshua was referring to both "Paul" and "Mohammed."
Christianity (a false religion) came from Paul. Islam (a false religion) came from Mohammed. Ironically, both Paul and Mohammed had seizures when receiving their visions/messages. Yeshua NOR any other prophet is EVER mentioned to have seizures or believe themselves posessed by demons. Oh, and neither Paul nor Mohammed ever heard the voice of God. They were both visited by a bright figure. Paul's claimed to be "Jesus" and Mohammed's claimed to be "Gabriel" and both Christians and Muslims have been trying to do away with the •••s since their religions began. Surprise, surprise.



Here is a prophecy from Yeshua about things to follow him, does he mention Mohammed? You decide:

"Watch out that no one deceive you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am Christ (Final King/Prophet), and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.
Then you (The •••s) will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations and then the end will come.
So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation (Dome of the Rock), spoken of through the prophet Daniel - let the reader understand - then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursingg mothers! Pray that you flight will not take place in the winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now - and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortended.
AT THAT TIME if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Prophet.' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect - if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.
So if anyone tells you 'There he is, out in the desert (Mohammed),' do not go out; or 'Here he is, in the inner rooms' (Paul), do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass (disbeliever), there the vultures (Muslims/Christians) will gather.

[Anidawehi]

[That is as clear as it can get. Mohammed and Paul were BOTH prophecied by Yeshua (Isa) as false prophets and both Islam AND Christianity come from them.
When Yeshua was speaking, he wasn't speaking to Muslims or Christians. He was speaking to •••s. Both Muslims AND Christians try to pretend his message was to them and it wasn't.]



Now, what are some other things that Yeshua taught which would anger a Muslim who claims to believe in Yeshua? (THESE VERSES ARE AUTHENTIC/WRITTEN BY HIS DISCIPLE WHO KNEW HIM and his WIFE [Thomas/Mary Magdalene].

"If your leaders tell you, 'Look, the kingdom of heaven is in the sky,' then the birds in the sky will precede you. If they say, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. But the kingdom of heaven is inside you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living father (God). But if you do not know yourselves, then you dwell in poverty and are poverty."

"The disciples asked him and said to him, 'Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?' Yeshua replied, 'Do not lie and do not do what you hate."

"Yeshua said to them, 'If you fast you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray you will be condemned, and if you give to charity you will harm your spirits. When you go into any region and walk through the countryside, and people receive you, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them. What goes into your mouth will not defile you, but what comes out of your mouth will defile you.'"

"Yeshua saw some nursing babies and said to his disciples, 'These nursing babies are like those who enter the kingdom of heaven.' The disciples replied, 'Then shall we enter the kingdom as babies?' Yeshua said to them, 'When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, hands in place of a hand, feet in place of a foot, images in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom of heaven.'"

[Did Mohammed contradict Yeshua? You bet your ass he did. Mohammed claimed that women were inferior mentally and would be cast into hell. Yeshua said there is no male or female and the flesh is an illusion, men and women are equal. Mohammed said that you cannot eat pork, Yeshua said what goes into your mouth doesn't pollute you, it's what comes out of your mouth that makes you evil. Mohammed ravaged the •••s and took "booty" (material goods) from them. Yeshua taught his disciples to travel from city to city healing people and eating with those who welcomed him. (Mohammed wanted power. Yeshua didn't teach his disciples to chase after power) Mohammed said you have to fast during Ramadan and pray five times a day and visit Mecca and Yeshua said, "Do not lie and do not do what you dislike." Then he went on to say, 'If you fast you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray you will be condemned, and if you give to charity you will harm your spirits.' (Because these things are nothing but "ego" devices. Nobody receives the Holy Spirit and enters into Paradise by way of their "actions").

"A prophet is not accepted in his hometown."

"The disciples asked, 'When will we see the Living God?' Yeshua replied, "When you strip naked without being ashamed of your flesh and take your clothes and put them under your feet like small innocent children and trample on them, then you will see the child of the living one within you and you will not be afraid anymore.'"

"Whoever blasphemes against the father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes the child will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either in this life or the next."

(Muslims do not preach about the Holy Spirit and even say that it is just an angel)

I'm just gonna stop here . . . Mohammed contradicted everything that Yeshua taught. He was a false prophet and Allah is not the God of Yeshua or the Prophets. Islam is a corrupted religion (along with Christianity) and all of you are going to stop lying about it to people who don't know better. Your religion teaches hatred. There is not a single devout Muslim who can show love and respect to a •••. Any Muslim who treats •••s with love and respect is not a true Muslim.

[Anidawehi]

Ask a Muslim what the Hadith says should be done to a person who leaves Islam.
If they tell you anything other than "death" they are a liar.

[Thrilla-Ali]

1. Muhammad THOUGHT for a brief moment [before his revelations] that he was being shook/grasped by a jinn, NOT possesed. It was really angel gabriel though. You truly are a satanic liar.

2. And apostacy WAS punishable by death at a certain time [i already told you why], but not anymore.

3. Islam teaches that all religions have truths within them, even the religion of the babylonians [zoraostrianism], but the quran is flawless and the absolute truth with no contamination. Ofcourse we believe in the gospels and the torah, but we feel these books have been adulterated with lies. We believe in the same prophets, and FYI •••s don't speak on the behalf of god and his prophets, so your in no position to say what doctrine belongs to whom.

[Thrilla-Ali]

And i gave you a yes or no answers, but i gave you explainations for why i said "no" for some and "yes" for others. For the few i didn't answer, i wanted you to post the verse and be more indeph with your question. No matter how hard you try you get debunked like sheer I-D-I-O-T you are

[Anidawehi]

Originally Posted by Thrilla-Ali

1. Muhammad THOUGHT for a brief moment [before his revelations] that he was being shook/grasped by a jinn, NOT possesed. It was really angel gabriel though. You truly are a satanic liar.

What did I lie about? Mohammed was terrified that he was being posessed by a demon. It was his wife who convinced him that he was a prophet.

How am I a "satanic liar" when I am telling the truth and have not lied at all?

And apostacy WAS punishable by death at a certain time [i already told you why], but not anymore.

Lie, to this day if a Muslim leaves Islam (in an Islamic nation) he is punished with death (unless of course his family has political or financial ties and can get him out of it).

Islam teaches that all religions have truths within them

As long as they agree with the Quran.

even the religion of the babylonians [zoraostrianism], but the quran is flawless and the absolute truth with no contamination.

Is that right? So the Quran is perfect, correct? Maybe you can explain this:

1. According to Surah 21:76, Noah and ALL of his family survived the flood, but Surah 11:42-43 reports that one of Noah's sons drowned in the flood.

2. In Surah 2:62 and 5:69 it says that Christians shall enter paradise, but Surah 5:72 and 3:85 say that they will go to hell.

3. Surah 10:92 states that Pharaoh survived the battle, but three other texts say that he drowned (Surah 28:40, 17:103, 43:55). Which is it?


And what about the next incidence in which the Quran inaccurately reports a historical event:

4. Surah 2 makes "Saul" the general of the 300 man army chosen by God (which was actually Gideon's army) and yet . . . Saul wasn't even born yet. Oops

Shall I go on, or should I just make a new thread showing every single mistake in the Quran? That book is full of errors from the front to the back and Muslims pretend that it isn't. It contradicts itself countless times and Muslims justify this by saying, "God gave Mohammed 'New' revelations" when at another part in the Quran it says that Islam was always and will always be the same. How can something change constantly and still remain the same? What kind of logic are we using here?

Ofcourse we believe in the gospels and the torah, but we feel these books have been adulterated with lies.

Did Mohammed provide any evidence for this claim?
Do Muslims have evidence for this belief?
Muslims expect evidence from everybody else yet they expect everybody else to accept their "proofless" claims.

FACT: Mohammed never heard the voice of God
FACT: Mohammed never spoke to God
FACT: ALL of Mohammed's revelations came through "an angel" who forced Mohammed to receive his words, threw him into seizures (causing him to foam at the mouth and moan like a camel), and simply claimed to be Gabriel. How did Mohammed know that this "angel" was not Satan? Did God tell him or did Mohammed's wife convince him that it was Gabriel? Did she ever see this "angel"?
Did anybody else? Or are we supposed to simply accept the testimony of a man who clearly had epilepsy?

We believe in the same prophets

NO WE DON'T!

You believe in the "altered versions" of the Prophets. You know almost nothing about these prophets aside from the fact that they were called prophets. You don't know what they did. You know nothing about their lives. You know nothing about how they received their revelations. You know nothing about their prophecies. You know nothing about them at all, other than that Mohammed said they were prophets. If you DID actually know anything about them, you would know that Mohammed was not one of them. ALL of the Prophets of God were from the line of Isaac. Isaac was the chosen son (from Abraham and Sarai). Ishmael was the son of Hagar (an Egyptian slave/servant of Sarai's). This is why Muslims TO THIS DAY consider themselves slaves.

and FYI •••s don't speak on the behalf of god and his prophets, so your in no position to say what doctrine belongs to whom.

ALL of the Prophets spoke to Israel, correct?
Even Mohammed when he began "emulated them" and tried to speak to Israel and when the •••s mocked him he turned to the Arabs (who believed him because they didn't know any better).

Mohammed was a false prophet.
The sooner you realize that, the better of you will be.
But you will not realize that, until you read the words of Yeshua and the other prophets, which will require you to open the Hebrew Tanakh and the Coptic Gospels (which you will never do because you like being lied to).

[Anidawehi]

Mohammed didn't receive his "revelations" from God.
Mohammed had an Abionite Christian Tutor (courtesy of his first wife) who taught him all the Abionite Christian beliefs about the other forms of Christianity. Mohammed clearly did NOT understand what he was taught and when his wife died, he began teaching his muddle up views to the •••s and Christians who knew that he didn't fully understand it. When they mocked him he cursed them.

Let us look at this simple, clear, and precise FACT:
Mohammed's "God" Allah served Mohammed . . . whenever somebody would mock Mohammed, Allah would miraculously give Mohammed a revelation to criticise them. If Mohammed's views changed, so did Allahs. Want proof?

"There is no compulsion in religion."

Surah 2:62 / 5:69 BOTH say that Christians will be accepted into heaven.

Ah, but wait . . . when Christians became the enemy in Mohammed's eyes, that statement was "overrided" by Allah.

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him." - Surah 3:85


Ooops

[menaz]

Your the one who gets his facts from bias websites. And for your info, i do indeed read the encyclopedia, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, I don't need wikipedia to debate with you, i only use wikipedia and other websites to back up my statements, and FYI i never quoted of any biased websites [unlike you]. You lost a billion times over, who respects you? No one you punk bitch.[/b]

Wikipedia does not help anyone out. What you do is Read wikipedia and regurgitate it. People of academia would agree with me Wikipedia is unreliable. Listen to how childish you sound, You're talking about respect on a website.

You have the mentality of a loser. Look I have to resort to a Brow beating argument because you are so mentally retarded.

I just told you that was unauthentic scripture, ask any scholar. *yawn* once again you flop at anything you say, and your anti-muslim threads just back fire on you, totally. Just like how you thought 2 women were equal to 1 man until i had to school your ignorant ass yet again

Anti-muslim threads? Actually everyone is calling you the brain washed one.

This is what i'm talking about. You make up lies and interject with Ad hominem arguments. You lack the brain power to combat any other way.

It is fruitless to argue with you. You can't ever keep on the subject.
And the whole argument is brought down to your dumb level.


LOL @ scripture being unauthentic, Look you don't even find your own scripture authentic. Whether White grapes compared to crsytal and pearls or 72 Virgins, regardless it's all bullshit. Like I said you're delusional like every other religious nut case.

Why compare white grapes to crsytal and pearls. You mean to tell me God is into material wealth and spreads it around only to his martyrs. Can you image God dividing up the wealth while play cards. God is such a gangsta in the quran.Since when does the spirit need virgins or white grapes anyway?

Heres a clue, Stop protecting an ancient book that means nothing.
I can not for the life of me figure out why people are so fickle over a GODDAM BOOK with nothing but nonsense in it. You're intelligence level is that of a beetle bug.

Not even your average arabic speaker can truley understand the qu'ran. It takes indeph knowledge of the old linguistics of the language [an extinct language almost] to really find the purest meanings of the verses.

I said you can't speak arabic, I didn't say anything in that particular sentence about the ancient lingustics in the Quran. Either you can speak arabic or you can't. And I have a hunch you can't, And I would expose this in the real world. You're a liar. Most religious people are lairs and sinners. i.e. this means you.

Why can't you admit that you truely can't speak arabic? nor do you truely understand it? why are you a loser, because you're a goddam hypocrite.

not to sound imposing or intimidating, but if i ever met you i'd knock you the fuck out for real dog lol im just being real.

[/quote]

And there is the real you. GODDAM, you dumb down ever thread.
You don't know me from a hole in the wall. I can handle myself, "DOG." LOL!

Goddam, you're stupid.

You could never intimidate me. You're not intelligent. You're not a tough guy.
Infact You're a lying demagogue. Ignorant motherfucker you can't even think for yourself. Not to mention, you're poorly educated.

There was nothing Anti-muslim about this thread. You can't handle the truth. Therefore you lie, lie, lie.

[menaz]

One thing azue.

Paul was a apostle not a prophet.

Paul read and studied the Tanakh . Then interputed it into a religion based around jesus, Which was really just a poly to push his own interpation over the •••ish text.

I believe the Romans had heavy influnce over most of what he wrote.

[Thrilla-Ali]

Originally Posted by menaz

Wikipedia does not help anyone out. What you do is Read wikipedia and regurgitate it. People of academia would agree with me Wikipedia is unreliable. Listen to how childish you sound, You're talking about respect on a website.

You have the mentality of a loser. Look I have to resort to a Brow beating argument because you are so mentally retarded.

I have no idea what your talking about, wikipedia is pretty reliable for many things but not all things. And your just lying like usual, because you are a satanic liar.

Originally Posted by menaz

Anti-muslim threads? Actually everyone is calling you the brain washed one.

Who azeus? LOL

Originally Posted by menaz

LOL @ scripture being unauthentic, Look you don't even find your own scripture authentic. Whether White grapes compared to crsytal and pearls or 72 Virgins, regardless it's all bullshit. Like I said you're delusional like every other religious nut case.

It is unauthentic and your yet to prove me wrong on anything about the qu'ran because we all know your an anti islamic kid that can't say half the things he does online, offline. Pussy.




I can speak some arabic but not alot. I can read arabic though, and i've studied the language a whole lot more than you. Now stop bitching your way through things because no one agree's with you like usual



Buddy any person in the spectrum could probably whoop your ass .