A "Rapper's producer" or a "Producer's producer"

[R-Tistic]

In most cases, do you tend to see yourself as being a "rapper's producer" or a "producer's producer," concerning the style of beats you make, and the elements and all that you put into your beats?

I'd define each as this....a "rapper's producer" makes beats that generally appeal to rappers, but wouldn't appeal to the average producer. These beats usually seem to focus on drums, or either have an energy or vibe to them that may let the rapper stand out on the beat. They usually don't change up as much, and don't have as much going on in them. A "producer's producer" tends to make beats that most producers will hear and point out small details about, or either trip out over change ups, instruments brought in, and the overall quality of a beat...but most rapper's will not pay attention to or care much about these things. Of course, many producers will want to see themselves as being both...but the reality is that most producers, especially those who are unestablished, tend to fall on one side or the other versus being both.

[Hypnotik]

Both.

When I'm working with artist, personal or on the net, There all different, and wan't something else.

Some dudes want simple. Some want complex.

When working with actual singers, that's a different story.

depends on the artist too. Some tracks NEED to be simple, and catchy.

Some need to be complex.

[_REAPAH_]

Im both, but if i had to say one, i'd say producers producer....

The reason i say that is because i stay trying to better myself. Im not gonna throw 30 change ups in a club beat, but i'll throw a verse, a hook, and a bridge on an R&B beat, you know.

I make beats for rappers n shit tho, stuff i know everybodies gonna feel... cuse if its not hot, its gon flop

[_REAPAH_]

.... I'll edit that later lmao

[(( Ozone ))]

that is the number 1 reason 99% of you muhfuckas will never be shit

muhfuckas on here too busy tryna impress other producers... they aint writin ya checks, they aint puttin you on... fuck is the point

muhfuckas STILL here in the same exact position they were in 2 years ago and wonder why

i've never seen so many dumb muhfuckas in my life

[R-Tistic]

LOL Ozone, I am guessin that's not directed at me since I only posed the question, but if so, fuck it.

I don't think "impressing other producers" is always the objective for a "producer's producer"...sometimes, that's just how their style is. The only time I've really seen producers blatantly trying to impress producers and producers only was in the RM beat battles, where producers would nitpick each other's beats in a way that no Rapper, A&R, Record exec., or regular consumer would ever do. But with beats...it's obvious that most successful producers tend to be both rapper's and producer's producers...as well as having whatever appeals to the mass audiences and record companies alike.

Most producer's producers will catch more ears than strictly rapper's producers, in my opinion, just because the music is usually more pleasing. In my opinion, rappers, and certain fans, tend to like the empty, repetitive beats that are more hard hittin or "head noddin" than melodic, such as Drop it like it's hot, Grindin, I'm a hustla. Those types of beats are usually easiest to rap to...but if a producer's entire style sounded like that, then people would get bored, because it's hard to listen to an album where all of the beats are like that. At the same time, producers like DJ Quik are almost too good for rap musically, and many of their beats tend to go over most rappers and even consumer's heads, because they don't focus on the hard hittin drum elements as much as the musical aspect.

Also...most "rapper's producers" tend to be strictly rap producers....where most "producer's producers" are usually more diverse, and can make beats outside of rap.

[I SUCK AT POKER < DONKEY]

all those grindin im a hustla type beats are usually done by a producer with an already established track record anyways.

[Phoenix5891]

By those definitions Timbo would be a Producers Producers. He's obviously deeper than that. All that matters is if you have fire or your don't. A real producer would be able to recognize potential for fire whether the track is simple or complex.

[ChaseNCashe]

Why would you want to be a producers producer?

Anyone who states they are one needs to give up now. You don't have a shot in the dark at ever being a producer lol.

[_REAPAH_]

Originally Posted by (( Ozone ))

that is the number 1 reason 99% of you muhfuckas will never be shit

muhfuckas on here too busy tryna impress other producers... they aint writin ya checks, they aint puttin you on... fuck is the point

muhfuckas STILL here in the same exact position they were in 2 years ago and wonder why

i've never seen so many dumb muhfuckas in my life

I swear your in the top 10 of the most disgruntled people on the board lmao

[(( Ozone ))]

hhahahaha

[Money Greene]

Originally Posted by (( Ozone ))

that is the number 1 reason 99% of you muhfuckas will never be shit

muhfuckas on here too busy tryna impress other producers... they aint writin ya checks, they aint puttin you on... fuck is the point

muhfuckas STILL here in the same exact position they were in 2 years ago and wonder why

i've never seen so many dumb muhfuckas in my life

goddamn it, you beat me to it.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by ChaseNCashe

Why would you want to be a producers producer?

Anyone who states they are one needs to give up now. You don't have a shot in the dark at ever being a producer lol.

Originally Posted by Ozone

muhfuckas on here too busy tryna impress other producers... they aint writin ya checks, they aint puttin you on... fuck is the point

Sums up my reply perfectly.

I swear your in the top 10 of the most disgruntled people on the board lmao

LMAO... Ozone, in all fairness, u did calm down since the Spitraw.com days. U used to be one mean ass dude on there haha.

[Medicinal]

I think a producer's producer is like a NBA player telling a street baller that he has game but the streetballer is still living in the projects. Its always love respect for what you do from others in the industry but you want the GM's of the nba teams to respect your game b/c thats how you make a living... just as you want the rappers to respect your production.

[R-Tistic]

Originally Posted by Medicinal

I think a producer's producer is like a NBA player telling a street baller that he has game but the streetballer is still living in the projects. Its always love respect for what you do from others in the industry but you want the GM's of the nba teams to respect your game b/c thats how you make a living... just as you want the rappers to respect your production.

I think most of y'all may have got it a bit twisted from what I meant....

In many professions, there are things parallel to a "producer's producer"...I've heard of an "actor's actor", always hear about a "rapper's rapper", a "writer's writer" when it comes to books. In most other cases, this does NOT imply that this person isn't good enough to "make it"...but only that their style and method seems to please those who do the same thing more than the average person on the outside, because they see somethin about them that they respect more or look up to.

In Jazz music, the perfect example is those artists who play "fusion jazz", which is an artform that impresses jazz musicians more than anyone else. Many of the songs have no structure, no defined melody, and each artist basically freestyles the entire song...but their techniques and all that they do are very complex and advanced, to where most jazz musicians are extremely impressed by them. Now I'm sure that most of these artist know how to simplify or in the rap world, "dumb down" their sound and style to where it appeals to a regular audience...but overall, these musicians are usually seen as being most impressive to other musicians, because they have mastered their art at a completely different level.

Now that's basically what I meant when saying "Producer's producer"....I DEFINITELY didn't mean that these are people who makes beats that ONLY appeal to producers...or that they make beats to please producers before pleasing rappers and regular consumers. All it means is that they seem to do things that are above and beyond what's required for making a solid beat that someone could make a song to...and it could be great at times, and may even be bad at times, just depending on how good they are.

[AK_Beats]

Originally Posted by (( Ozone ))

that is the number 1 reason 99% of you muhfuckas will never be shit

muhfuckas on here too busy tryna impress other producers... they aint writin ya checks, they aint puttin you on... fuck is the point

muhfuckas STILL here in the same exact position they were in 2 years ago and wonder why

i've never seen so many dumb muhfuckas in my life

Ozone, you remind of this retarded-ass rhyme I heard on some stupid song on the radio. It went somethin like this "I was writin rhymes all day on the stoop// turn on the radio I hear chichen noodle soop// shit that's a hit I can have one too// somethin somethin retarded that rhymes with too//" In other words your just like this cat, tired of trying to achieve some great when you can sound just like all the other retards on the radio and "get that money". Come on man, I remember your beats from soundclick. it was always the same simple-ass synth wanna-be-like-little-john type of shit. Maybe you should stop counting how many "dumb muhfuckas" are on this board and start countin how many more days you have before people get tired of hearin the same shit over and over. I can guarantee you it's a pretty small number.

[R-Tistic]

Just a few examples.....Gabrielle Union would never be seen as an "actresses' actress".....Ashanti, Ciara, Cassie would NEVER be seen as being a "singer's singer".....Chingy, D4L, Dem Franchize boyz will never be seen as a "rapper's rapper"....and these people have all been successful. They must have what it takes/took to become big at what they do...but people who work in their respective fields will rarely ever look up to them and want to emulate them and what they do.