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Avant Garde
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Science and puberty
From the saheeh hadith of Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
from Martin lings definitive biography of the Prophet which is acclaimed worldwide:
For the last three years scarcely a day had passed by without one or more of ‘A’ishah’s friends coming to play with her in the courtyard adjoining her father’s house. Her removal to the Prophet’s house changed nothing in this respect. Friends now came every day to visit her in her own apartment – new friends made since her arrival in Medina and also some of the old ones whose parents, like hers, had emigrated. "I would be playing with my dolls," she said, "with the girls who were my friends" One day," said ‘A’ishah, "the Prophet came in when I was playing with the dolls and he said: ‘O ‘A’ishah, whatever game is this?’ I said: ‘It is Solomon’s horses,’ and he laughed."(Ibid., pp. 132-134)
From the saheeh hadith of Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:
Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Note: I already proved Prophet Muhammad had sexual intercourse with Aisha in her house, however the kicker here is Aisha still brought her dolls with her to his house and was still playing with her dolls at his house along with her platmates. Which can only mean one thing under the doll-playing exegesis of Ibn Hajar and Islamic laws and customs, Aisha was still a prepubsent child when Prophet Muhammad A.) had sexual intercourse with her at nine years old for the first time in her house, and B.) continued to have sexual intercourse with her after she moved in his house. You also created a straw man here when you tried to claim my logic was "only prepubsent children were allowed to play with dolls." This is not my logic obviously you misread because if you had read correctly you'd note Fateh-al-Bari and others stated it not me. (i.e. It's Fatwa!)
from the saheeh hadith of Sunan Ibn-I-Majah 1876:
"A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said: Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted marriage with me while I was (yet) a six years [sic] old girl. Then we arrived at Medina and stayed with Banu Harith b. Khazraj. I fell victim to fever; then my hair (of the head fell off (and became scattered). Then they became plenty and hanged down upto [sic] the earlobes. My mother ‘Umm Ruman came to me while I was (playing) in a swing alongwith [sic] my play-mates. She (the mother) called me loudly. I went to her and I did not know what he [sic] wanted. She seized my hand and stopped me at the door of the house and I was hearing [sic] violently until the agitation of my heart was over. Then she took some water and wiped it over my face and head. Then she admitted me to the house when some woman [sic] of Ansar were present in the house. They said, "You have entered with blessings and good fortune." Then she (the mother) entrusted me to them. So they embellished me and nothing frightened me but Allah’s Messenger(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) (when he came there) in the morning and they (the women) entrusted me to him. On that day, I was a nine years [sic] old girl."
Note: I already explained how she was engaged and married around 6 or 7.
Note: nothing frightened her accept prophet muhammad. Anyway, the point of me posting this evidence was to collaborate the highlighted section above with the science below inorder to validate my point...
"Science shows that the female body still has a ways to go from the time a girl has her menarche to the time she is sexually able to reproduce, or is considered to have an adult body. Science further documents that there are times when a child may have "precocious puberty" and have menarche as early as age 8. This is usually due to a dysfunction or disorder within the child. Aisha had precocious puberty. Although it happens, it is very rare that young children experience menarche at age 9. Aisha had been very sick prior to her "sexual intercourse" with Muhammad. She had even lost some of her hair during her illness. Physically, she was having severe problems. she was having some type of sickness that triggered her menarche, or she was experiencing some disorder that also caused the menarche. Either way, having menses at age 9 does not signify adulthood and justify engaging in sexual activities."
"research shows that young people reach full intellectual maturity by age 11 or 12, whether or not they have achieved the physical changes of puberty."
"girls are not "mature" following their menarche. There are no biological grounds to marry or engage post-menarcheal girls in sexual activity; theycannot conceive children yet. Puberty does not equal maturity, and therefore this misconception should not lead to marriage or sexual intercourse. Logically then, menarche is not a sign of a female being able to bear children. Only at the end of puberty can a girl conceive,not at the beginning, not at the middle. Puberty usually takes several years to complete."
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