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Originally Posted by reggie_jax
so consent is the key? who is to really say that children can't consent to sex... just because its a law doesnt make it an issue of morality. give me a secular reason these acts are immoral. animals have no choice in the matter but since when do we really protect the rights of animals? its ok to slaughter and eat them, test them for our products and steal their milk, go ahead and jack off a horse for personal profit but if u happen to enjoy it then... it's immoral? what about those bitches that just lay back and let their dogs do the work? is that not consent on the most basic level?
and what is this idea that it's "not pedophilia" because it was a social norm? that doesn't mean it wasn't pedophilia that just means that back then pedophilia was a social norm. being a faggot is a social norm in san francisco but that doesn't make them any less gay does it.
i'll agree with subjective morality on a secular level but if you're arguing from a religious standpoint isn't morality delivered directly to us from the one and only god and therefore absolute?
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This is an argument based on subjectivity. Were the spartans homosexuals because homosexuality was a norm with the spartan males? If so, are they to blame for their homosexual acts? Well, one theory is the spartans did this to have a more personal relationship with each other in order for a stronger enforcement on the battle field. If one spartan seen his partner getting attacked, the other would fight harder, for example.
Consent isn't the focal point here, subjectivity is. The people back in those times didn't find it immoral. The secondary point is intent. A pedophile breaks social norms and values, and the law of a scoiety or/and has the intent to. The people back then didn't.. That's why i don't view it as child abuse. Also, let's keep in mind that the clinical definition of pedophilia has to do with a fixed obsession for
prepubescent children
only (common wealth usage).
As for the animals, they are a product of what their master teaches them. If their master teaches them perverted sexuality, they will become that. They don't have a chance to escape the situation, and given the fact they have a very low intelligence doesn't help your argument either..